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Leaf fans: would you trade kadri for luongo?

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10-02-2012, 11:56 AM
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Thanks.

I would be surprised if this happens, but could definitely see some players values taking a hit. Then again, for cap floor teams it would be nice to carry a hollow cap hit without an actual cash expenditure behind it.

Luongo for Hossa?
lol and why would we do that? Hossa was our best forward last year, we would not trade him for a goalie who has single-handedly lost games for his team in the playoffs. The Hawks have first hand account of his shaky mental psyche, we are not trading our best forward for a player who is a wildcard in the playoffs.

Counter offer, Luongo for Rotislav Olesz +2nd round pick, it is the Hawks version of Komisarek + 2nd.

We do not want Luongo unless he came cheap, he will never be worth Marian Hossa... ever.

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10-02-2012, 12:05 PM
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lol and why would we do that? Hossa was our best forward last year, we would not trade him for a goalie who has single-handedly lost games for his team in the playoffs. The Hawks have first hand account of his shaky mental psyche, we are not trading our best forward for a player who is a wildcard in the playoffs.

Counter offer, Luongo for Rotislav Olesz +2nd round pick, it is the Hawks version of Komisarek + 2nd.

We do not want Luongo unless he came cheap, he will never be worth Marian Hossa... ever.
Fair enough. Figured similar contracts for each other, for assets that fill team needs (Luongo's playoff problems are blown way out of proportion, and people fail to give him credit for his stellar performances while dwelling on the few bad ones...he was our playoff MVP the year we were a game away from the Cup).

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lol and why would we do that? Hossa was our best forward last year, we would not trade him for a goalie who has single-handedly lost games for his team in the playoffs. The Hawks have first hand account of his shaky mental psyche, we are not trading our best forward for a player who is a wildcard in the playoffs. Counter offer, Luongo for Rotislav Olesz +2nd round pick, it is the Hawks version of Komisarek + 2nd.

We do not want Luongo unless he came cheap, he will never be worth Marian Hossa... ever.
To be fair, we're not asking for Toews.
And Vancouver is not going to fill the biggest hole that Chicago has without getting something back in return.

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10-02-2012, 12:42 PM
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Luongo
Booth

Hossa
Crawford

???

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10-02-2012, 01:10 PM
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Luongo
Booth

Hossa
Crawford

???
I could live with that, although there's nothing we need Crawford for. If we're giving up a legit top 6 winger in Booth then we should at least get a 1st instead of Crawford.

Although I definitely prefer it to Leafs fans offers.

But Chicago fans will say no.

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10-02-2012, 02:13 PM
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I could live with that, although there's nothing we need Crawford for. If we're giving up a legit top 6 winger in Booth then we should at least get a 1st instead of Crawford.

Although I definitely prefer it to Leafs fans offers.

But Chicago fans will say no.
My thinking is it gives Vancouver a safety net if Schneider cant handle a full workload yet, not a bad tandem at all.

I was thinking of adding in a 2nd going to Chicago, as I do think its a little lop-sided for Vancouver, but Luongo behind Chicago's D should be pretty great.

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I think there are too many teams (around 10-12?) with contracts going to age 40 for the new CBA to include that change without grandfathering in the old contracts. A bunch of owners would probably vote against that unless they received a lot of player concessions on top of that.
Perhaps that many owners might object. They'd be in something of an awkward position though since they clearly expected those players to play out their entire contracts when they signed them. What's the harm in making sure the contracted cap hit expectations are fulfilled through the contract then?

I mean, if they didn't expect the player to play out the entire contract then that would mean they committed a circumvention of the CBA when signing the deals. Surely they wouldn't admit to having done that?

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Perhaps that many owners might object. They'd be in something of an awkward position though since they clearly expected those players to play out their entire contracts when they signed them. What's the harm in making sure the contracted cap hit expectations are fulfilled through the contract then?

I mean, if they didn't expect the player to play out the entire contract then that would mean they committed a circumvention of the CBA when signing the deals. Surely they wouldn't admit to having done that?
It's one thing to take a gamble and give that contract expecting a player to play it to expiration, with no risk of any cap penalties in the event the player doesn't play out the deal. It's another to hand out those contracts knowing full well that the risk of the player not playing out the contract still has your team paying that cap hit.

I think it's perfectly plausible that a team could sign a player to a long term contract with good intentions, but under different circumstances may not have handed out the same term.

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My thinking is it gives Vancouver a safety net if Schneider cant handle a full workload yet, not a bad tandem at all.

I was thinking of adding in a 2nd going to Chicago, as I do think its a little lop-sided for Vancouver, but Luongo behind Chicago's D should be pretty great.
The difference between Luongo and Crawford is noticeably bigger than between Hossa and Booth, imo.

All the reasons why Luongo`s value should be low(Age, contract, etc) apply to Hossa as well, and Luongo plays a more important position.

Valuewise something around that would be close, but most Chicago fans don`t want to give up anything of value for Luongo.

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LA fans correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Lombardi in danger of possibly losing his job if the team had not made the playoffs this year. I thought I read that somewhere...
Nope. Lombardi was free to re-build the roster like he pleased. He only faced scrutiny for the first time this year since a team that was expected to go all the way did miserable during the first 3/4 of the season relative to expectations.

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Lets say, Kadri + gunner for example for luongo?

Curious, considering all the drama surrounding Kadri.
IMO Vancouver gets robbed in this trade.

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There is no way I would trade anyone for Luongo and his contract with the rumors of the proposed changes to those long term deals and the cap hit counting against the team for the duration of the contract even after the player is finished in the NHL.

Under the current system I doubt I even give up Kadri for Luongo. Vancouver has limited options and I would be seriously surprised if they receive anything of value for Luongo, not anything against the guy he's a great goalie one of the best in the league. But his contract and limited trade options are right now killing his value imo any how.

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There is no way I would trade anyone for Luongo and his contract with the rumors of the proposed changes to those long term deals and the cap hit counting against the team for the duration of the contract even after the player is finished in the NHL.

Under the current system I doubt I even give up Kadri for Luongo. Vancouver has limited options and I would be seriously surprised if they receive anything of value for Luongo, not anything against the guy he's a great goalie one of the best in the league. But his contract and limited trade options are right now killing his value imo any how.
What's limiting his trade value right now is the lockout. He can't be traded. When the lockout if over we will know what the rules are on these contracts and I'd expect that a deal gets done pretty quickly. A few teams have a real high need to upgrade in net.

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The difference between Luongo and Crawford is noticeably bigger than between Hossa and Booth, imo.

All the reasons why Luongo`s value should be low(Age, contract, etc) apply to Hossa as well, and Luongo plays a more important position.

Valuewise something around that would be close, but most Chicago fans don`t want to give up anything of value for Luongo.
I would have to disagree with you there, Hossa is seen as probably being one of the top 10 wingers in the League. Booth, I doubt would be top 30..Luongo is probably around a top 10 goalie, Crawford I would say is probably top 20, maybe 25.

Closer than you think IMO.

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I would have to disagree with you there, Hossa is seen as probably being one of the top 10 wingers in the League. Booth, I doubt would be top 30..Luongo is probably around a top 10 goalie, Crawford I would say is probably top 20, maybe 25.

Closer than you think IMO.
There are only 30 starters in the league, being top 25 doesn't put you on the same level as even a top 50 winger.

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i wouldnt trade luongo for a out of shape kid who acts like a baby when chirped

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i wouldnt trade luongo for a out of shape kid who acts like a baby when chirped
That's an unfair evaluation...

But it would take a lot more than Kadri to get Luongo.

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That's an unfair evaluation...

But it would take a lot more than Kadri to get Luongo.
Which is what Burke said that he wouldn't do, create one hole to fill another.

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That's an unfair evaluation...

But it would take a lot more than Kadri to get Luongo.
Gillis would take Kadri for Luongo and run

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Gillis would take Kadri for Luongo and run
I highly doubt that.

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To be fair, we're not asking for Toews.
And Vancouver is not going to fill the biggest hole that Chicago has without getting something back in return.
From my take, Van and Chicago are not ideal trading partners at all for that very reason.

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Gillis would take Kadri for Luongo and run
If all it took to get Luongo was Kadri then a deal would have been done long ago. I don't get the sense that either side sees Kadri as a blue chipper.

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Which is what Burke said that he wouldn't do, create one hole to fill another.
What kind of hole does Kadri create though?

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What's limiting his trade value right now is the lockout. He can't be traded. When the lockout if over we will know what the rules are on these contracts and I'd expect that a deal gets done pretty quickly. A few teams have a real high need to upgrade in net.
All depends on the new CBA, for all we know a contract like his becomes even more of a handcuff making it impossible to trade him. Even if the new CBA doesn't impact his contract's value, Luongo will have lost another year (if it is a full year lockout) of elite playing status, and put him one year closer to retirement. Hard to argue that his value will increase as a result of the lockout.

I think Gillis made a huge mistake holding on to him, and although I wanted Luongo for the right price on the Leafs, it appears not acquiring him could have been a great move by Burke due to the potential changes to the CBA.

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What kind of hole does Kadri create though?
He's a high level offensive prospect. Glad that I could help to educate you but that should be common knowledge.

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