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10-03-2012, 04:21 PM
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Never understood why people think Burke would take on a 10 year contract to begin with?

I don't believe Toronto will want that contract. Forget about what players it will cost them.

I also see Luongo to Florida making great sense for Luongo, and zero sense for Florida.

It's going to be difficult to move Luongo.

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10-03-2012, 04:27 PM
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who do people think is better

Schroeder or Kadri?
I would honestly rather go with Schroeder than Kadri.

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10-03-2012, 04:28 PM
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Never understood why people think Burke would take on a 10 year contract to begin with?

I don't believe Toronto will want that contract. Forget about what players it will cost them.

I also see Luongo to Florida making great sense for Luongo, and zero sense for Florida.

It's going to be difficult to move Luongo.
Burke has already shown significant interest, so that point is moot. He knows very well that Luongo's contract is beneficial, keeping an elite goaltender at a great cap hit with the option to bury him in the minors at will. Once the CBA is resolved all teams will have a better sense of what moves they'll need to make to fit under the cap as well as if Luongo's contract status changes.

We'll likely see a lot of action once that happens.

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10-03-2012, 04:37 PM
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What an odd point to make, and not really a selling point as Kadri would very likely put up much more points in the same situation...
Its a compliment to Kadri that he can put up points on his own, whereas Schroeder is more of a complimentary player. If he's playing with good players he will produce and produce big.

Kadri if he develops will be able to carry his own line. Is there something wrong with saying that?

Kadri however doesn't have Schroeders commitment it seems, atleast not yet. Jordan has come into camp even stronger than he was in years past. One has work ethic and determination question marks, the other doesn't.

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There is merit in what you are saying, but recent history is not in your favour. The last two champions did have high level goaltending. That being L.A. and Boston.
Sure, but I still fail to see what that has to do with Luongo. He is apparently on the same level as those 2 and hasnt brought his team a cup. And Vancouver arguably has had the best team the last 2 years. So if an 'elite' goalie cant do it with a stacked team, like Vancouver, how is he going to do it for a lesser team (minus Hossa)?

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10-03-2012, 04:42 PM
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Sure, but I still fail to see what that has to do with Luongo. He is apparently on the same level as those 2 and hasnt brought his team a cup. And Vancouver arguably has had the best team the last 2 years. So if an 'elite' goalie cant do it with a stacked team, like Vancouver, how is he going to do it for a lesser team (minus Hossa)?
Because Vancouver has had awful luck with injuries. Last year our leading scorer was missing and our 2nd scorer was playing through a torn labrum. The year before we had more of our team playing through injuries than not.(And Luongo managed to keep us in it for much longer than we should have. Normally if a team is averaging a goal per game they'd get swept.)

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Sure, but I still fail to see what that has to do with Luongo. He is apparently on the same level as those 2 and hasnt brought his team a cup. And Vancouver arguably has had the best team the last 2 years. So if an 'elite' goalie cant do it with a stacked team, like Vancouver, how is he going to do it for a lesser team (minus Hossa)?
That's stupid logic. The best team doesn't always win...

And last year even though the Canucks won the President's Trophy, I wouldn't say they were even close to the best team. They looked out of sorts all year and just didn't have the juice they did from the previous year.

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Never understood why people think Burke would take on a 10 year contract to begin with?

I don't believe Toronto will want that contract. Forget about what players it will cost them.

I also see Luongo to Florida making great sense for Luongo, and zero sense for Florida.

It's going to be difficult to move Luongo.
So Burke won't do what it takes to improve his team

All we heard from Leafs fans last year was how the goaltending held the team back, now an opportunity comes to get a top one, and many Leafs fans don't wanna do it.

You're goalie prospects aren't that good, when was the last time the Leafs developed their own goalie? their best goalies in recent memory were Cujo and Belfour

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10-03-2012, 05:08 PM
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Burke has already shown significant interest, so that point is moot. He knows very well that Luongo's contract is beneficial, keeping an elite goaltender at a great cap hit with the option to bury him in the minors at will. Once the CBA is resolved all teams will have a better sense of what moves they'll need to make to fit under the cap as well as if Luongo's contract status changes.

We'll likely see a lot of action once that happens.
According to a couple of media sources...

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Always thought that was funny. Kadri carried the Knights on his back for one season while Schremp was only ever a PP specialist.
While I dont want to start a flame war over kadri again. Ill object to your PP specialist comment, Schremp got 47 points in 19 playoff games, in which they went to the OHL finals.

Only asked the Schroeder question to see who nucks would rather have.


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"We lost out on the Brad Richards sweepstakes for two reasons," said Burke, who is believed to have offered the player a six-year, $42-million deal. "One, we didn't offer as much money as other teams and more importantly we didn't structure the contract like other teams did.



"These deals that are front-loaded and have small amounts at the back end, in my opinion, are designed to circumvent the salary cap."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...article615788/

Had the opportunity of filling the #1 centre void by offering Richards a longer term deal..And he didn't. I doubt he's going to offer a top prospect and a top pick for Luongo's contract.


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So Burke won't do what it takes to improve his team

All we heard from Leafs fans last year was how the goaltending held the team back, now an opportunity comes to get a top one, and many Leafs fans don't wanna do it.

You're goalie prospects aren't that good, when was the last time the Leafs developed their own goalie? their best goalies in recent memory were Cujo and Belfour
Incorrect. Scrivens was the best goalie in the AHL last season. Owuya looked very good as well.

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Incorrect. Scrivens was the best goalie in the AHL last season. Owuya looked very good as well.
Yeah we've seen this script with leaf goalies plenty of times, Reimer, Pogge get a real proven goalie for once or you'll continue to be disappointed

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While I dont want to start a flame war over kadri again. Ill object to your PP specialist comment, Schremp got 47 points in 19 playoff games, in which they went to the OHL finals.

Only asked the Schroeder question to see who nucks would rather have.
The smart ones would pick Kadri.

Like I said, 30 of Schremp's points that year were on the PP.

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Yeah we've seen this script with leaf goalies plenty of times, Reimer, Pogge get a real proven goalie for once or you'll continue to be disappointed
Reimer is a bust now.? LOL.

What a weak argument bring up Pogge as "proof"

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Yeah we've seen this script with leaf goalies plenty of times, Reimer, Pogge get a real proven goalie for once or you'll continue to be disappointed
Leaf fans could care less. They're drinking Burke's Kool-aid, life's good.

Being the manager of the Leafs must be one of the best jobs in the world. Tell the fans what they want to hear, don't need to get results as long as you assure them good times are ahead and everyone is happy with you. Brian Colangelo and Brian Burke have it so good.

I remember when Pogge was the next big thing, good times indeed

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Leaf fans could care less. They're drinking Burke's Kool-aid, life's good.

Being the manager of the Leafs must be one of the best jobs in the world. Tell the fans what they want to hear, don't need to get results as long as you assure them good times are ahead and everyone is happy with you. Brian Colangelo and Brian Burke have it so good.

I remember when Pogge was the next big thing, good times indeed
Never been to the Leafs board, have you?

And keep with the lame "Pogge was a bust" argument to prove Scrivens, Rynnas, Reimer, and Owuya suck.

Your post is so wrong it's just absurd.

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Leaf fans could care less. They're drinking Burke's Kool-aid, life's good.

Being the manager of the Leafs must be one of the best jobs in the world. Tell the fans what they want to hear, don't need to get results as long as you assure them good times are ahead and everyone is happy with you. Brian Colangelo and Brian Burke have it so good.

I remember when Pogge was the next big thing, good times indeed
If you love the Canucks then you love what the Leafs' management team of Burke and Nonis built.

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If you love the Canucks then you love what the Leafs' management team of Burke and Nonis built.
Exactly. Burke and Nonis built that team.

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Never been to the Leafs board, have you?

And keep with the lame "Pogge was a bust" argument to prove Scrivens, Rynnas, Reimer, and Owuya suck.

Your post is so wrong it's just absurd.
I see leafs fans defend their GM to no end, their goaltenders to no end and their prospects to no end.

Yet your team is the least successful in the entire league since the lockout. You don't seem to see a problem with the team you support. I guess Burke has you brainwashed quite successfully.

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I see leafs fans defend their GM to no end, their goaltenders to no end and their prospects to no end.

Yet your team is the least successful in the entire league since the lockout. You don't seem to see a problem with the team you support. I guess Burke has you brainwashed quite successfully.
The only thing I see here is someone lapping up any Leafs bashing media report Vancouver has to offer (which is alot).

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I see leafs fans defend their GM to no end, their goaltenders to no end and their prospects to no end.

Yet your team is the least successful in the entire league since the lockout. You don't seem to see a problem with the team you support. I guess Burke has you brainwashed quite successfully.
Go to the Leafs board. There's non-stop crapping on Burke.

And what should we do? Abandon our team and jump on the wagon of another team?

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The only thing I see here is someone lapping up any Leafs bashing media report Vancouver has to offer (which is alot).
It's the little peepee syndrome in Vancouver.

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Exactly. Burke and Nonis built that team.
The teams Burke and Nonis built could never get out of the 1st round.

It took the hiring of Mike Gillis for the Canucks to find some playoff traction.

Everyone knows Brian Burke is the worst judge of goalie talent of any hockey executive in the modern era. Not sure why you're willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt when he absolutely hasn't earned it regarding this position...

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The teams Burke and Nonis built could never get out of the 1st round.

It took the hiring of Mike Gillis for the Canucks to find some playoff traction.

Everyone knows Brian Burke is the worst judge of goalie talent of any hockey executive in the modern era. Not sure why you're willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt when he absolutely hasn't earned it regarding this position...
Burke/Nonis built that core. They were just not at their peaks before Burke left.

But Bryan Murray, leaving a 76 point non-playoff team in Anaheim built the cup winner in 07', right?

And Burke signed Hiller in Anaheim BTW.

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