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If sedins were UFA's What would they get in THIS market?

View Poll Results: If sedins were UFA's What would they get in THIS market?
less then 7 m 7 6.60%
7 m to 7.5m 29 27.36%
7.5 m to 8 m 26 24.53%
8 m to 8.5 m 30 28.30%
8.5m ++ 14 13.21%
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10-01-2012, 03:11 PM
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I certainly hope the Canucks don't give them a raise when their contracts are up on July 1, 2014.

I also have a hard time seeing teams having $17M to allocate to two players. Especially two players who aren't good/consistent in the playoffs.
Both Sedins have been PPG in the playoffs over the past 4 years.

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10-01-2012, 03:46 PM
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Both Sedins have been PPG in the playoffs over the past 4 years.
They don't consistently show up. Look at 2011 for example, they were pathetic for 3 of the 4 series, but padded their stats against San Jose.

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As a package deal, similar contracts to the Parise/Suter deals, but with a few less years because they're older. Assuming we're talking long contracts with cap evading years on the end, I don't see them hitting $8+ mil per year, more like $7-7.5. If it's a shorter, "legit" contract without cap evading years, then I can see a cap hit of $8+ mil per year.

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10-01-2012, 03:47 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but saying that they would get less than 7 million in this market seems... well... insane. Teams are starved for offense, and starved for first-class talent. Hell, teams are starved for second-class talent.

Keep in mind, Shane Doan was just offered 7.5 million per season. That figure was confirmed. There was a rumour that he was offered 8 million per, but that wasn't confirmed. But it's because teams are starved for offense. That sets the market prices.

In the last 3 years, Doan has 55 points, 60 points, and 50 points.
In the last 3 years Henrik has 112 points, 94 points, and 81 points.

And Doan got offered 7.5 million per year. Probably safe to say the Sedins (who are also significantly younger than Doan) could get more than 7mil. I'd wager a lot more. Put me in the 8.5+ category.
What team can afford to add nearly $20M to their payroll?

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10-01-2012, 03:48 PM
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Since they come together, 7.0-7.5 mil.

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10-01-2012, 03:53 PM
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The question is, what would a team be willing to pay for a line that is more or less guaranteed 200+ points with any top 9 winger in the NHL.

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10-01-2012, 11:30 PM
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Doan was offered a ludicrous amount of money for how good he is and his age. (over 35 contracts stay on the books!). Why not mention other over-paid guys like Redden and Gomez too?
Because the op clearly says "in THIS market", not "in Redden and Gomez'es market".
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Maybe Regier or Sather give the Sedins 10y 90m deal, but an average GM wouldn't.
But the question isn't 'what would an average gm offer the Sedins?', or 'what do you personally feel is a reasonable offer to give the Sedins?', it was 'what could the Sedins get?' And the Sedins could get what the market offers. And this is why I mention Doan: because if he could get 7.5, then the Sedins could get more. And I imagine a lot more.


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What team can afford to add nearly $20M to their payroll?
I said 8.5 or more, 8.5x2 is 17, that's pretty far from 20. And I think teams would clear space for them to be honest. Teams give inferior players huge contracts, if you can pay just a bit more for a big upgrade wouldn't you do it? (As I finished typing that question I realized that I already know your answer).

And tayq, based on the current numbers, if Detroit hadn't signed Samuelsson, and they choose not to re-sign Cleary and White this upcoming summer, they could spend 17 million on the Sedins. Obviously this is totally hypothetical, but the numbers could be worked out for various teams I'm sure.

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Well Doan was offered a 4 year deal worth 7.5mil per year from Buffalo. So as I said before, if were purely speculating on what they could get I think an 8 year deal with an 8mil cap hit isn't unrealistic.
That's because Buffalo has a really stupid GM, apparently.

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10-02-2012, 12:46 AM
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What team can afford to add nearly $20M to their payroll?
The Canuck if the sedins would had become UFA this summer or the wild I presume for examples with no needed speculation.

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Well Doan was offered a 4 year deal worth 7.5mil per year from Buffalo. So as I said before, if were purely speculating on what they could get I think an 8 year deal with an 8mil cap hit isn't unrealistic.
I don't think it's unrealistic either, but I wouldn't use Doan as an example.

If Brown or Backes were UFA's What would they get in THIS market?
I guess the answer is $7.5 million, right? Wrong.

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I think they worth around $7.5 million, but I think they'd have to take a pay cut to play together.

I think they'd get between $6 million -$7 million.

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Because the op clearly says "in THIS market", not "in Redden and Gomez'es market".
You missed the point. Citing a contract that was never signed in the first place! And would've paid Doan significantly more than his market value is a poor example of what the Sedins are worth as UFAs. Hence the Redden and Gomez examples.

Regier spent money last off-season like it was burning a hole in his pocket and the Sabres ended up missing the playoffs. If anything he offered Doan that contract out of desperation for his job. So if the thread was "What would a desperate imbecile offer the Sedins as UFA's?" Then perhaps the contract allegedly offered to Doan would be more relevant.

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10-02-2012, 12:15 PM
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The Canuck if the sedins would had become UFA this summer or the wild I presume for examples with no needed speculation.
I would certainly hope the Canucks don't sign the Sedins to that kind of a contract. They just aren't worth it.

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10-02-2012, 12:52 PM
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Went with 8-8.5mil.

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Voted 7.5 to 8 mil.

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They would get called soft, lazy floaters who aren't worth more than $4-5m. Seriously though, they could probably fetch upwards of $7m-$8m each.

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What team can afford to add nearly $20M to their payroll?
Hmm.

If the cap stays where it is, and they take less than $7.5m each, Detroit could add both by demoting Brunner and trading/waiving Cleary, Eaves, and Miller.

Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Bertuzzi
D.Sedin/H.Sedin/Samuelsson
Franzen/Filppula/Nyquist
Abdelkader/Helm/Tootoo

Nice lineup. I'd rather replace Bert with Brunner... but Dats "likes him" so he got a two year deal.

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They don't consistently show up. Look at 2011 for example, they were pathetic for 3 of the 4 series, but padded their stats against San Jose.

Should we go back and look at your posts before they signed their last contract? Anybody up for a laugh?

They signed at a discount to play in Van, and have served them extremely well. Whether you want to admit it or not, they are the biggest reason for Vancouvers success these past few years. Lose them and see what happens to our already weak offence.


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the fact that they always want to play for the same team being twins and all decreases their value and their leverage in negotiations...

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