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View Poll Results: When will the lockout end?
Sometime between Oct-nov 49 18.08%
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10-29-2012, 02:55 PM
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Why does the Winter Classic come up so much? Does anyone outside the two teams playing really care that much? Even then are the players even thrilled with this game?

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10-29-2012, 03:01 PM
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Why does the Winter Classic come up so much? Does anyone outside the two teams playing really care that much? Even then are the players even thrilled with this game?
It brings in ALOT of money, big contribution to HRR

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10-29-2012, 04:26 PM
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Why does the Winter Classic come up so much? Does anyone outside the two teams playing really care that much? Even then are the players even thrilled with this game?
A huge TV deal with NBC. it's very important to the league.

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10-29-2012, 04:45 PM
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A huge TV deal with NBC. it's very important to the league.
Sure, but do the players at this point really care if that one game gets cancelled?

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10-29-2012, 05:31 PM
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Sure, but do the players at this point really care if that one game gets cancelled?
I think the owners do and it's likely the last bit of leverage the players have against the owners. If a deal isnt sorted out in time for the Winter Classic then there's nothing really stopping this from wiping out the season.

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10-29-2012, 05:49 PM
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I think the owners do and it's likely the last bit of leverage the players have against the owners. If a deal isnt sorted out in time for the Winter Classic then there's nothing really stopping this from wiping out the season.
Yep. If the winter classic gets wiped out, then it's going to be the owner's game. What's ridiculous is that I can see the owners offering something like 52-48 and the players countering with 50-50, or something just as frustrating.

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10-29-2012, 10:02 PM
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Sure, but do the players at this point really care if that one game gets cancelled?
Nope - players don't care. To the owners however the Winter Classic is a major piece in the HRR. They will use the cancellation of the game as a bargaining chip going forward.

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10-29-2012, 11:54 PM
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Btw league sources tell espn the the winter classic will be cancelled on Thursday. No meetings planned at this point

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/85...assic-canceled

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10-30-2012, 01:04 AM
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Btw league sources tell espn the the winter classic will be cancelled on Thursday. No meetings planned at this point

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/85...assic-canceled
Well, at least we'll soon know if we're having a season or not.

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10-30-2012, 01:15 AM
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I get the feeling this season is lost similar to last time.

There was a much bigger philosophical divide last time, yet the two sides can't even find time to meet to bridge the much more manageable gap this year.

It's actually pretty embarrassing and makes me realize both sides are so stubborn that we could be destined to do this every 6-8 years.

Like really, how long has it been since they met last? You cancel games in November and of course logic dictates you waste 3 weeks emailing and texting each other, meet the last week, get nothing done, and then of course start canceling more games.

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10-30-2012, 03:15 AM
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Is there ever a possibility of there being a lockout lasting two years?

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10-30-2012, 03:25 AM
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im glad its canceled. the gimmick of that game sucks. i get the $$$$$-hype but it blows. garbage ice makes for a garbage game. garbage sight lines. garbage camera angles.

id rather see the game done in an indoor football stadium (Ford Field, etc)

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10-30-2012, 06:41 AM
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Is there ever a possibility of there being a lockout lasting two years?
yep there is a chance with Fehr in charge of the NHLPA

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10-30-2012, 08:15 AM
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Well, at least we'll soon know if we're having a season or not.
once the winter "classic" is cancelled, then the all star game, THEN you'll know that there will be no season, which i have said from the start, but i'm hoping i'm wrong....it's certainly starting to look like the same situation as 2005....

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10-30-2012, 08:18 AM
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Is there ever a possibility of there being a lockout lasting two years?
there was talk of it in 2005 but thankfully it never happened.

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10-30-2012, 09:30 AM
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yep there is a chance with Fehr in charge of the NHLPA
yep fehr is an ahole and he cares nothing for the sport, he never has, he is all about his ego and he knows if he holds out and gets what the players want then he can sit back and get the next cba negs for whatever league needs it. he is a cancer and i knew something would happen when he was announced as in charge. f- him

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If a full season gets cancelled, does anyone else think that it might take the head of the NHLPA being fired again in order to get playing? The players will never recover the money they lose from the loss of a full season, and even if they get the deal they want for next season. The players will still have lost money on the whole, and majority of owners save money.

Plus, with the likelyhood that gross revenue decreases, the cap floor drops, and the owners that were losing money might be able to break even again, like back in 2005-2006.

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10-30-2012, 11:45 AM
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If the NHL, hypothetically, continues its lockout into next season: what are the odds anther professional league pops up in North America? A WHA style league who entices players from the NHL to come play for their teams?

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10-30-2012, 11:49 AM
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Is there ever a possibility of there being a lockout lasting two years?
The owners will likely be able to have an impasse declared before it runs into a second year.

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If the NHL, hypothetically, continues its lockout into next season: what are the odds anther professional league pops up in North America? A WHA style league who entices players from the NHL to come play for their teams?
With what arenas?

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There is no way fans come back like last time IMO. This one will sting a lot of casual and half casual fans. NHL will lose it's momentum.

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If the NHL, hypothetically, continues its lockout into next season: what are the odds anther professional league pops up in North America? A WHA style league who entices players from the NHL to come play for their teams?
Zero. You have to think that there will be owners, there will be large contracts (players won't take a pay cut to play in a new league) and it'll basically be the NHL pt 2. Unless all teams are community owned, it won't happen.

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10-30-2012, 12:34 PM
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There is no way fans come back like last time IMO. This one will sting a lot of casual and half casual fans. NHL will lose it's momentum.
That's why I think the players are in a better position. There have been rumblings on twitter about teams telling Bettman they can't afford 2 lockouts in 8 years.

I can't see how teams that are already losing money can afford to lose anymore fans. Now throw in this storm that is hitting, you really think people are going to go out of their way to spend money on hockey when they'll have damages to take care of?

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10-30-2012, 12:59 PM
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That's why I think the players are in a better position. There have been rumblings on twitter about teams telling Bettman they can't afford 2 lockouts in 8 years.

I can't see how teams that are already losing money can afford to lose anymore fans. Now throw in this storm that is hitting, you really think people are going to go out of their way to spend money on hockey when they'll have damages to take care of?
let's see, if teams are already losing $10 million under the current CBA - what desire do they have of continuing under anything similar to the current CBA?

Keep in mind that the first two proposals from the PA had the CBA returning to a 57% revenue share to the players in the near future. It makes more sense for these teams to change the CBA entirely in order to have the potential of making money, than continue to lose money perpetually.

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let's see, if teams are already losing $10 million under the current CBA - what desire do they have of continuing under anything similar to the current CBA?

Keep in mind that the first two proposals from the PA had the CBA returning to a 57% revenue share to the players in the near future. It makes more sense for these teams to change the CBA entirely in order to have the potential of making money, than continue to lose money perpetually.
Thing is they'll get their 50-50 and still lose 10mil because they've now lost fans.

I just can't see how PHX is going to last after another lockout. The NHL is looking like a joke of a league right now. You can't 8 years ago go through a lockout come out as the winners brag for years and then cry wolf and have another lockout.

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