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11-15-2012, 07:20 PM
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so jordan pachecho (.309) is a much better player than chase headley (.286).

gotcha.
I said it was important, I didn't say it was the only stat.

Hell of a jump you made there though. You should try out for the Olympic team.

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11-15-2012, 07:21 PM
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Whatever way you rationalize it getting more hits on average than your peers is pretty important.
Getting on base at a higher average, stealing more bases, and scoring more runs are all pretty damn important too. As is being an elite defensive player.

Everyone supporting Cabrera for MVP never gets to mock SABR folk for their attachment to stats considering their entire argument is three stats.

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the most important aspect of the game is not making outs; it's reaching base as often as possible because you're not making outs. whether you do that by hitting, walking, hbp it doesn't matter.

homeruns are awesome.

rbi are largely dependent on the players in front of you being on base. unless you're planning to hit 130 solo homers.

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I said it was important, I didn't say it was the only stat.

Hell of a jump you made there though. You should try out for the Olympic team.
sorry but you're trying to explain how important batting average is. i asked whether a guy who hit over .300(!) is better than a guy who didn't.

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Triple crown winners were 5 for 9 in winning MVP before this season.

The stats must not have been that important.

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sorry but you're trying to explain how important batting average is. i asked whether a guy who hit over .300(!) is better than a guy who didn't.
Not necessarily. You know that as well as I do, stop playing stupid games.

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It might be, but I don't think you can diminish the importance of AVG, HR, and RBI.

People call them "counting stats". I hate that phrase. It makes them sound irrelevant. We're not just counting for the sake of counting, this isn't sesame street. We're counting how many times a guy drives in a run or hits the ball over the fence. It's an important aspect of the game and always will be no matter what people wanna say.
You do realize how many more times Cabrera came up with men on base right? You do know that if Trout came on with the same amount of men on base that Cabrera did, their RBI totals would be fairly equal right?

Can you make a conclusion of the RBI stat based on what I just wrote? I know I can.

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Triple crown winners were 5 for 9 in winning MVP before this season.

The stats must not have been that important.
you just don't get it. the entire season, defense, baserunning, offense...it comes down to those numbers. nothing else. you lead in something else? tough! you play better defense? who cares! rbi! homers! hitting for average!

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Generally speaking, people bat where they do in the lineup because they drive in runs, not the other way around.

I will acknowledge though that Trout is a special case because he has way too much power to batting leadoff, and certainly could handle a middle of the order role.

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Don't forget making the playoffs in that tough as nails division. Cabrera led them there. Put the team on his back.

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the tigers won 88 games to win that division.

the angels barely won more games.

point: cabrera.

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Agreed, makes sense to focus on team statistics to prove individual worth.

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In that case, the Yankees won 95 games, so Jeter should have won it, which was my case all along

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In that case, the Yankees won 95 games, so Jeter should have won it, which was my case all along
Sorry, I figured because it was so counter-intuitive it's sarcasm would be obvious.

Well that, and I'm being inundated with "Database Errors" so while I tried to quote the previous post, it didn't work.

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cabrera switched positions.

trout did not switch positions.

point: cabrera.

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In that case, the Yankees won 95 games, so Jeter should have won it, which was my case all along
Cano > Jeter

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Fire Sather happy the Sabremetric candidate didn't win

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Cano > Jeter
hello?

batting average?! .316 over .313.

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Sorry, I figured because it was so counter-intuitive it's sarcasm would be obvious.

Well that, and I'm being inundated with "Database Errors" so while I tried to quote the previous post, it didn't work.
It was obvious, I was being sarcastic too

I never expected Jeter to win MVP at all. Although I do think he should have gotten more votes than Sir Padsalot over at 2nd base who gets all his hits when the game is out of reach and disappears completely in big games, but that's a different story entirely.

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Fire Sather happy the Sabremetric candidate didn't win
good for him.

glad to see he could come out and express his opinion in a lucid, thought out manner.

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It was obvious, I was being sarcastic too

I never expected Jeter to win MVP at all. Although I do think he should have gotten more votes than Sir Padsalot over at 2nd base who gets all his hits when the game is out of reach and disappears completely in big games, but that's a different story entirely.
Are you aware that players stand behind pitchers on their own team in an attempt to help them prevent allowing runs or did you think that was just to get a good view of their guy on the mound?

Also: Win probability added has Cano way over Jeter, but I guess since that's a statistic that doesn't date back to the Civil War and also not the product of your infallible memory of the Yankees season, of which you watched every single pitch, I guess we should throw it out.

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good for him.

glad to see he could come out and express his opinion in a lucid, thought out manner.
One of my favourite articles about the MVP race, written by Joe Posnanski.

Oh, and my love for Jeff Passan continues as he was a Trout voter.

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Well deserved for Cabrera

Though I'm surprised Trout didn't receive more 1st place votes

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Are you aware that players stand behind pitchers on their own team in an attempt to help them prevent allowing runs or did you think that was just to get a good view of their guy on the mound?

Also: Win probability added has Cano way over Jeter, but I guess since that's a statistic that doesn't date back to the Civil War and also not the product of your infallible memory of the Yankees season, of which you watched every single pitch, I guess we should throw it out.
If your implying that the difference was defense, don't bother. Cano is too cool to bother with defense.

He makes so few errors because he pulls up if it's not right at him.

And yeah as far as me watching every single pitch, I should think I know my own team and can see what Jeter means to this team as opposed to Cano, but a stat would know better than I would.


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larry bowa: "he's the guy you want up in the ninth with two outs!"

sergio romo: "huh?"

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