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11-29-2012, 06:56 PM
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Duchene's primadonna comments haven't made him any friends there.
I didn't take his comments as being a "primadonna" but rather being frustrated knowing that his team is better than they are performing...but I guess when you read quotes it's possible for people to find different meanings in them.

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11-29-2012, 07:31 PM
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Good to know the coaches in Sweden are as incompetent as the ones in Colorado.

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11-30-2012, 05:44 AM
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Swedish media (Sportbladet) says that Duchene wants to stay in Frölunda but they have decided not the offer him an extension.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportblade...medium=twitter
Confirmed by the Frölunda board.

Not suprising after coach Johanssons comments about how risky it was to have Duchene as a center... Said he couldn't handle playing center, the two-way responsiblity.

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11-30-2012, 06:18 AM
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Wow. It doesnt look good for Duchene. So much potential, but but...

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11-30-2012, 07:11 AM
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Wow. It doesnt look good for Duchene. So much potential, but but...
It doesn't look good. But we shouldn't forget that Frölunda always said this was 2 months and no longer. He was just a replacement coming in when they had some injuries.

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11-30-2012, 07:15 AM
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I'm not taking this as anything more than it actually is, Duchy's contract being over and their coach being pissed he called them out for being lazy.

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11-30-2012, 07:41 AM
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I'm not taking this as anything more than it actually is, Duchy's contract being over and their coach being pissed he called them out for being lazy.
I think so, too. On the other hand I like him more on the wing.

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11-30-2012, 07:49 AM
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I think so, too. On the other hand I like him more on the wing.
To be honest, I have always wanted him to get trained on the wing since his rookie year. I think a Landeskog - Stastny - Duchene line would be unreal and play to all of their benefits immensely. Especially because I think Duchene would be a better RW than LW based on his attacking style.

But if that makes Duchene worse and/or hurts his development, I'm not bothered by having a stacked center lineup.

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11-30-2012, 09:54 AM
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To be honest, I have always wanted him to get trained on the wing since his rookie year. I think a Landeskog - Stastny - Duchene line would be unreal and play to all of their benefits immensely. Especially because I think Duchene would be a better RW than LW based on his attacking style.

But if that makes Duchene worse and/or hurts his development, I'm not bothered by having a stacked center lineup.
main point is, they need to decide what they are going to do. They can't keep chancing his position all the time, it destroys his game.

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11-30-2012, 09:59 AM
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main point is, they need to decide what they are going to do. They can't keep chancing his position all the time, it destroys his game.
Seems the decision was already made to keep him at center when we signed PAP.

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11-30-2012, 10:05 AM
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Seems the decision was already made to keep him at center when we signed PAP.
Good point. Let's hope they stick to it.

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11-30-2012, 11:10 AM
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I think it might be time to seriously think about converting him to a winger. He just doesnt have the hockey IQ or defensive acumen to play center.

Build around Stastny-O'Reilly down the middle with Landeskog and Duchene as the all star wingers.

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11-30-2012, 11:37 AM
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I think we all know that Duchene isn't good defensively but I wouldn't take the comments from the coach to seriously because it seems him and Duchene don't have a good relationship at all.

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11-30-2012, 12:46 PM
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I think we all know that Duchene isn't good defensively but I wouldn't take the comments from the coach to seriously because it seems him and Duchene don't have a good relationship at all.
He was talking alot about the diffrences in playing center on the european rinks compared to the NHL-style, he basically said that Duchene couldn't handle it here. Since he "isn't used to it".

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11-30-2012, 02:55 PM
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I am not a +/- guy, but it's hard to imagine him being a big defensive problem at +8, with 12 points in 15 games...

the overreaction from this place about Duchene's flaws is just insane. he certainly has them, but he's freaking 21. give it time, good grief.

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11-30-2012, 03:21 PM
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The Duchene on wing experiment last year wasn't a smashing success. Of course neither was the Duchene in the middle non-experiment.

I see no reason why he couldn't be a good winger in the Patrick Kane mold.

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11-30-2012, 04:15 PM
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To be honest, I have always wanted him to get trained on the wing since his rookie year. I think a Landeskog - Stastny - Duchene line would be unreal and play to all of their benefits immensely. Especially because I think Duchene would be a better RW than LW based on his attacking style.

But if that makes Duchene worse and/or hurts his development, I'm not bothered by having a stacked center lineup.
I agree with this. I always said he would fit better on the right side.

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11-30-2012, 05:15 PM
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Stop ****ing around with his position and keep him at center. If he doesn't improve or if he can't handle the defensive responsibilities then you can make the move in the offseason and give him a full training camp at wing. Moving him around week to week and playing him with different linemates all the time doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help Duchene and it screws up the other lines as well. He needs at least another full season at center before you think about pulling the plug. Keep in mind he's only 21 years old. I'm not comparing his skillset/talent to these guys but Sakic, Forsberg, Datsyuk, etc weren't great defensive players in their early 20's either.

I want to see: Landeskog-Duchene-Parenteau

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11-30-2012, 05:21 PM
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Fyi, I don't see why Duchy couldn't learn to play like Zetterberg.

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Duchene hasn't looked good at wing IMO. The best situation for him is to play with a defensively responsible winger who can stay high in the offensive zone and cover for him defensively. If you watch when his line gets caught in the defensive zone 90% of the time it is a winger that is playing the center position. Duchene is usually the last man back into the defensive zone, so he ends up covering the point. This was a nightmare with Mueller and Hejduk as his wingers. Hejduk has the IQ, just not the speed. And Mueller was embarrassingly slow last year. Landeskog would be great, but Duchene isn't a very good puck distributor. So it would be a waste playing a shooter with him. I don't see PAP being a good fit either. Not sure what the answer is looking at our roster.

His hockey IQ is definitely questionable IMO. And hearing that he wasn't any better in Folunda isn't good news.

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11-30-2012, 10:29 PM
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Duchene hasn't looked good at wing IMO. The best situation for him is to play with a defensively responsible winger who can stay high in the offensive zone and cover for him defensively. If you watch when his line gets caught in the defensive zone 90% of the time it is a winger that is playing the center position. Duchene is usually the last man back into the defensive zone, so he ends up covering the point. This was a nightmare with Mueller and Hejduk as his wingers. Hejduk has the IQ, just not the speed. And Mueller was embarrassingly slow last year. Landeskog would be great, but Duchene isn't a very good puck distributor. So it would be a waste playing a shooter with him. I don't see PAP being a good fit either. Not sure what the answer is looking at our roster.

His hockey IQ is definitely questionable IMO. And hearing that he wasn't any better in Folunda isn't good news.
Although this is true, I will always believe it is due to him playing the left side. He is more suited to play right wing. If you watch him when he plays center, 90% of the time he is on the right side especially when entering the offensive zone. He can't do that when playing LW so he is having a hard time adjusting because his game needs to change completely. Playing RW would not demand such a change for him and would take away a lot of his defensive responsibilities therefore helping him concentrate on his O game.

Give him ten games on the right side and I strongly believe you'll see a much better performance from him than on the left side.

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I am not a +/- guy, but it's hard to imagine him being a big defensive problem at +8, with 12 points in 15 games...

the overreaction from this place about Duchene's flaws is just insane. he certainly has them, but he's freaking 21. give it time, good grief.
lol, seriously. Landeskog has fewer points in more games in a second-tier league but let's drag Duchene over coals because he doesn't have "hockey IQ".

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Swedish media (Sportbladet) says that Duchene wants to stay in Frölunda but they have decided not the offer him an extension.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportblade...medium=twitter
Confirmed by the Frölunda board.
Club president won't rule out an extension, per local paper. Center Mikael Johansson may be out longer with a wrist injury, giving Frolunda the loophole to re-sign Duchene.

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lol, seriously. Landeskog has fewer points in more games in a second-tier league but let's drag Duchene over coals because he doesn't have "hockey IQ".
It getting really annoying listening to people in here rant about how poor Matt Duchene is or how his hockey IQ is terrible or how he is lazy etc. None of them are the truth.

I agree with you. Matt has played fairly well with a not super skilled team in Frolunda, the coach is just pissed at Matt because he called the team out for poor play and it makes the coach look bad for not doing it, so that explains that riff. Matt's teammates seem to like him, which means he is not creating problems in the locker room. And with minimal talent around him has managed 12pts and +8 rating which means he most likely is playing pretty decent hockey.

I wouldn't worry about Landeskog either, I think he made a bad choice to go play for a B rate team due to his allegiances. There is no skill on that team, the coach sucks, I think he has shut it down so he doesn't get hurt, and he is getting really frustrated. The best thing for him would be to get out of there ASAP.

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It getting really annoying listening to people in here rant about how poor Matt Duchene is or how his hockey IQ is terrible or how he is lazy etc. None of them are the truth.

I agree with you. Matt has played fairly well with a not super skilled team in Frolunda, the coach is just pissed at Matt because he called the team out for poor play and it makes the coach look bad for not doing it, so that explains that riff. Matt's teammates seem to like him, which means he is not creating problems in the locker room. And with minimal talent around him has managed 12pts and +8 rating which means he most likely is playing pretty decent hockey.

I wouldn't worry about Landeskog either, I think he made a bad choice to go play for a B rate team due to his allegiances. There is no skill on that team, the coach sucks, I think he has shut it down so he doesn't get hurt, and he is getting really frustrated. The best thing for him would be to get out of there ASAP.

Next game is the last one for Landeskog. We do have a new coach from 5 games ago, 4 wins 1 loss

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