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Brooks: Dolan petitioned to have Bettman fired a couple of years ago [MOD]

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Brooks: Dolan petitioned to have Bettman fired a couple of years ago [MOD]

There has been alot of talk about how unified the owners are etc., which I always have had a pretty hard time believing since Bettman's actions are pretty insane from the point of view of many owners (look seriously he is not saving the worst of organizations with what is on the table right now) and he is potentially causing the game tremendous damage. But many refer to the owners being unified and mention the vote on if the owners should keep playing with the old CBA while negotiating or lockout the players as evidence for that (which I also definitely think can be debated, how to negotiate is one topic that is relevant, this issue says very little for me).

Anyway, I found this report very interesting, and I had not heard about it before. Apparantly atleast one owner has already gone after Bettman for his insane approch and called for him to be fired a couple of years ago.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...2P34Z9E0MbV9cN
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It’s hard to believe the owners of the Maple Leafs, who stand to lose at least $100 million if the season is flushed, will stand by silently as the league seeks nothing less than unconditional surrender from the players. It is impossible to believe the owners of the Canadiens, Canucks, Flyers, Red Wings, Penguins and Blackhawks will continue to cede authority.

Perhaps no one will listen to Dolan of the Rangers — who stands to lose at least $60 million if the puck isn’t dropped just as his team would be denied its shot at the Cup — just as no one listened to him a few years ago when he petitioned the board to dismiss Gary Bettman, but silence from the Blueshirts’ CEO simply would be unacceptable.
I definitely think its probable that Bettman has 15+ owners on his side (owners of the smallest markets that loose money and others who don't care about the game), but any talk about the ownerse being unified just seem ridiculous after this report of how someone alredy openly has gone after him...

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There has been alot of talk about how unified the owners are etc., which I always have had a pretty hard time believing since Bettman's actions are pretty insane from the point of view of many owners (look seriously he is not saving the worst of organizations with what is on the table right now) and he is potentially causing the game tremendous damage. But many refer to the owners being unified and mention the vote on if the owners should keep playing with the old CBA while negotiating or lockout the players as evidence for that (which I also definitely think can be debated, how to negotiate is one topic that is relevant, this issue says very little for me).

Anyway, I found this report very interesting, and I had not heard about it before. Apparantly atleast one owner has already gone after Bettman for his insane approch and called for him to be fired a couple of years ago.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...2P34Z9E0MbV9cN


I definitely think its probable that Bettman has 15+ owners on his side (owners of the smallest markets that loose money and others who don't care about the game), but any talk about the ownerse being unified just seem ridiculous after this report of how someone alredy openly has gone after him...
I see Brook neglected to mention, what's behind Dolan's attempt to force Bettman out. Imagine a commissioner who's concerned with ALL the teams in his league,not just the big market ones


http://puckstopshere.blogspot.com/20...marketing.html

The dispute is related to marketing. The NHL feels it should have control over the promotions held by Madison Square Gardens relating to the New York Rangers. Specifically, the NHL says they should have control over the New York Rangers website nyrangers.com and other promotions.

The NHL has insisted that they should have control over the Rangers independently run website and turn it into the "cookie-cutter" websites of the other NHL teams that can be linked to from nhl.com. When the 2007 playoffs began, the Rangers began making New York Rangers merchandise available through the website instead of through a catalogue.


The problem is a symptom of the NHL CBA. If big markets grow their revenues, they lose a significant chunk of the extra money they produced to revenue sharing payments to keep the smaller market teams alive. Naturally, they are looking to find new revenue streams that are outside this restriction.

When big markets do grow their revenues, it increases the salary costs for the smaller markets, who may have problems paying them, since player salaries and NHL revenues are linked. Thus some of the small markets would be happy to see the biggest NHL markets revenues fall flat or even drop.

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lol of course Dolan wanted Bettman impeached, after the petty catfight he got into with the league over the Rangers' website a while back. And as Brooks himself said, nobody listened to Dolan...he was just playing out a personal feud.

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lol of course Dolan wanted Bettman impeached, after the petty catfight he got into with the league over the Rangers' website a while back. And as Brooks himself said, nobody listened to Dolan...he was just playing out a personal feud.
and its definitely why dolan isnt in the room right now. shockingly to most, he was sort of a mediator in the NBA lockout last year and played a large role in getting that lockout resolved. im sure he'd be the same in this situation as well. wish he would get in the room instead of jacobs being there all the time.

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No on knows how unified the owners are with them being muzzled with fines.

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dolan hates the cap though, thinks he should be able to spend whatever he wants.

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With Dolan owning the TV rights to 3 NHL teams, do you think that has anything to do with it? He is paying a lot to the Devils and Islanders, so does he actually get a positive ROI from those deals or does he usually eat some loses? No season means not eating a loss, but then again he wanted these deals and I doubt it was so he could lose money.. They must have some benefit

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With Dolan owning the TV rights to 3 NHL teams, do you think that has anything to do with it? He is paying a lot to the Devils and Islanders, so does he actually get a positive ROI from those deals or does he usually eat some loses? No season means not eating a loss, but then again he wanted these deals and I doubt it was so he could lose money.. They must have some benefit
He still makes a profit even with the Islanders and Devils included. Even though he did give the Islanders their deal, it's was a lot more complicated than it sounds.

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The bottom line is these work stoppages has hurt the NHL. Even in Toronto there is a who cares attitude right now about the season resuming. Bettman has his own agenda that does not really help small market teams, but rather punishes the players and their association.

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With Dolan owning the TV rights to 3 NHL teams, do you think that has anything to do with it? He is paying a lot to the Devils and Islanders, so does he actually get a positive ROI from those deals or does he usually eat some loses? No season means not eating a loss, but then again he wanted these deals and I doubt it was so he could lose money.. They must have some benefit
Well part of the benefit is the they can charge extra to the Cablevision subscribers and to other cable systems (Time Warner, DirecTV, etc) to carry the networks that air the the games.

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lol of course Dolan wanted Bettman impeached, after the petty catfight he got into with the league over the Rangers' website a while back. And as Brooks himself said, nobody listened to Dolan...he was just playing out a personal feud.
Nah, I don't buy this view at all.

There has been plenty of reports of how unified the owners are and how everyone is standing behind Bettman.

There is obvious atleast one exception, and I definitely doubt its just personal feud. If you stand to loose up towards 100m, and possibly alot more long term, I just think its incorrect to write it of as a personal feud.

Thats one thing. The other thing is that there is no reason whatsoever to expect Dolan to be alone.

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dolan hates the cap though, thinks he should be able to spend whatever he wants.
He has made alot of money due to the cap. I would be extremely suprised if he hated it. I think he would have benefitted a little from more flexibility, but I doubt he hates it per se.

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I see Brook neglected to mention, what's behind Dolan's attempt to force Bettman out. Imagine a commissioner who's concerned with ALL the teams in his league,not just the big market ones


http://puckstopshere.blogspot.com/20...marketing.html

The dispute is related to marketing. The NHL feels it should have control over the promotions held by Madison Square Gardens relating to the New York Rangers. Specifically, the NHL says they should have control over the New York Rangers website nyrangers.com and other promotions.

The NHL has insisted that they should have control over the Rangers independently run website and turn it into the "cookie-cutter" websites of the other NHL teams that can be linked to from nhl.com. When the 2007 playoffs began, the Rangers began making New York Rangers merchandise available through the website instead of through a catalogue.


The problem is a symptom of the NHL CBA. If big markets grow their revenues, they lose a significant chunk of the extra money they produced to revenue sharing payments to keep the smaller market teams alive. Naturally, they are looking to find new revenue streams that are outside this restriction.

When big markets do grow their revenues, it increases the salary costs for the smaller markets, who may have problems paying them, since player salaries and NHL revenues are linked. Thus some of the small markets would be happy to see the biggest NHL markets revenues fall flat or even drop.
I very much doubt this is the case. Brooks is also a repoter in NY who got a better track on Dolan that just about anyone. Dolan stands to gain 1m per season and is risking loosing 100m+++++.

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With Dolan owning the TV rights to 3 NHL teams, do you think that has anything to do with it? He is paying a lot to the Devils and Islanders, so does he actually get a positive ROI from those deals or does he usually eat some loses? No season means not eating a loss, but then again he wanted these deals and I doubt it was so he could lose money.. They must have some benefit
Are NYI and NJ Devil fans, still paying their cablevision bills?

Does Dolan still have those lucrative cable licenses on LI and in NJ?



http://www.examiner.com/article/hock...ss-not-a-sport
Toronto writers don't understand is just how much Dolan, who now owns the New York Rangers, needs the Islanders and how much Islanders owner Charles Wang needs Dolan's money. Dolan has two valuable assets that other cable competitors don't have on
Long Island. The Islanders contract through 2031 and News12, a local news operation that covers Nassau and
Suffolk county news. The Islanders are definitely a loss leader for Dolan but in the overall scheme of things, Dolan can walk into any town, village or city on the
Island when it comes to renewing his cable systems licenses and say what does Time Warner have locally, what does Comcast have locally? The answer is nothing, he has the Islanders and he has News12. The properties virtually assure Dolan of the renewals in the lucrative multiple cable systems operator business.



Dolan has the same set up in
New Jersey, a long term contract with Jeffrey Vanderbeek's Devils hockey team and News12. Dolan is a smart guy, much smarter than the Toronto writers looking at moving the Islanders to
Toronto.

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Nah, I don't buy this view at all.

There has been plenty of reports of how unified the owners are and how everyone is standing behind Bettman.

There is obvious atleast one exception, and I definitely doubt its just personal feud. If you stand to loose up towards 100m, and possibly alot more long term, I just think its incorrect to write it of as a personal feud.

Thats one thing. The other thing is that there is no reason whatsoever to expect Dolan to be alone.



He has made alot of money due to the cap. I would be extremely suprised if he hated it. I think he would have benefitted a little from more flexibility, but I doubt he hates it per se.



I very much doubt this is the case. Brooks is also a repoter in NY who got a better track on Dolan that just about anyone. Dolan stands to gain 1m per season and is risking loosing 100m+++++.
I've been reading Brooks shilling for the Rangers, long before Dolan bought the team.

In a way, I kind of miss his articles like the one he wrote,suggesting the financially struggling Pens trade Mario(or was it Jagr?), to the NYR for a bunch of decent players and $17m in cash.

Brooks has been unhappy since the league went to a cap and stopped teams from sending cash in deals.

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too bad for the sport of hockey he wasn't successful.

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Who cares what Brooks said. There's no point in posting articles to 'prove' that owners aren't 100% unified. Aside from the league (which would unsurprisingly say so), who truly believes that every single owner is happy with how negotiations are going?

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OP's quote from the article is taking it a bit out of context.

It's no secret the Rangers have had a fued with the league office. and it was nothing to do with Bettmans "insane approach".

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too bad for the sport of hockey he wasn't successful.
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Gotta agree with you here Cheswick.

Dolan was unabashed in his criticism of fellow NBA owners who prolonged the NBA lockout. It's likely he has the same position here. Regardless, the fact that he voted in favor of booting Bettman a couple years ago really doesn't say anything about Dolan's current stance on the NHL lockout or whether or not the owners remain unified against the NHLPA.

On an aside, I kind of admire Dolan's well-documented sass with the League Office. He's currently got KHL games broadcasting on his company's station. Dynamo on at 1 today actually.

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Ah the long history of NYR vs the NHL.

It's a shame Bettman shut up any discontent when he came into office and made himself in charge of the owners rather than the other way around or we woulda gotten more entertainment from this feud.

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That's interesting about Dolan.

The Leafs are owned by Bell/Rogers. They (Bell at least) want CBC's TV rights when they come up in 2014. They're going to play nice until this thing is over.

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