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10-04-2012, 10:01 PM
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I noticed some Marlies players changed their numbers.

Gardiner #19 (not sure if this is what he wore when he was playing in the playoffs last year or not)
Holzer #5
McKegg #39 (instead of his usual #69 rookie #)
Deschamps #9


Anyone notice any other numbers in that Eakins video?



Also, for those who watched that video - how good did Kadri look? He looked very good in that short video they showed of him.

I like what Devane (#33) was doing out there, too.
I might be wrong but I think Gards wanted 19 when he was here but lupul had dibs on it. Sort of like Franson and liles if I recall.
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Percy looked very good defensively tonight btw, also added an assist, was impressed.
No problem and glad to hear. I really hope he lights it up offensively, he was on an amazing pace last year.

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Finn first star, without any points in a 5-0 win? How da hell?

Must have been a beast defensively. Glad to hear.

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Went to the OHL board to hopefully find out something about Finn's play tonight. Nobody has posted on the Guelph thread in a couple days, no luck there.

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think JE was watching the game tonight hopefully he has input

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Good stuff. Can't wait to see Rielly (and Jones) play on Saturday.

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i watched the first 2 periods of the Guelph game. Finn didn't stand out much. He makes the simple play and it works 95% of the time. Not much to report other than he is obviously the "go-to" dman for the storm. Out every other shift, plays PP and PK.

definitely doesnt strike me as a guy who will be putting up big point totals. Just quietly goes about his business.

Think Gunnarsson.

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10-04-2012, 10:47 PM
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i watched the first 2 periods of the Guelph game. Finn didn't stand out much. He makes the simple play and it works 95% of the time. Not much to report other than he is obviously the "go-to" dman for the storm. Out every other shift, plays PP and PK.

definitely doesnt strike me as a guy who will be putting up big point totals. Just quietly goes about his business.

Think Gunnarsson.


he plays sort of like percy with a little more offence

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i watched the first 2 periods of the Guelph game. Finn didn't stand out much. He makes the simple play and it works 95% of the time. Not much to report other than he is obviously the "go-to" dman for the storm. Out every other shift, plays PP and PK.

definitely doesnt strike me as a guy who will be putting up big point totals. Just quietly goes about his business.

Think Gunnarsson.
you should see some more of him, has alot more offensive potential than carl.

carl on the pp is useless. finn is an asset.

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he plays sort of like percy with a little more offence
eh, he's more physical than percy is. and i guess i just dont see the offensive upside that others do. i think his above average pt totals are more a testament to the fact that he's literally on the ice for guelph ALL THE TIME. he racks up a lot of secondary assists by virtue of him touching the puck a lot.

his defensive game is sound, and he's more than capable of contributing offensively here and there, i just think the d-men in junior who go on to put up big numbers in the pros show a lot more offensive flair and creativity than finn does currently.

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The D imo might look like:
Gardiner - Holzer
Blacker - Fraser
Ranger - Gysbers


The Forwards:
Kadri - Colborne - Frattin
Ashton - Aucoin - D'amigo
Deschamps - Zigomanis - Komarov
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Anybody at that Storm game where Finn got the 1st star without getting any points? Must have been a hell of a performance defensively.

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Leivo with 2 goals and Percy with an assist.

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Anybody at that Storm game where Finn got the 1st star without getting any points? Must have been a hell of a performance defensively.
I'm [im]patiently waiting for John-Eric's assessment of the game as he said he was attending it I believe.

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I think this will be the standard Matt Finn game summary:

-A calming influence whenever on the ice
-Makes the simple correct play
-Makes a good first pass
-Anticipates plays
-Positional sound
-plays big mins
-Nothing spectacular, just gets the job done

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I think this will be the standard Matt Finn game summary:

-A calming influence whenever on the ice
-Makes the simple correct play
-Makes a good first pass
-Anticipates plays
-Positional sound
-plays big mins
-Nothing spectacular, just gets the job done

That's great but that doesn't deserve the first star in normal circumstances over a shutout performance... or even over any performances.

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That's great but that doesn't deserve the first star in normal circumstances over a shutout performance... or even over any performances.
It's always easier to notice big points than subtle value in players, this is what makes the game of hockey so great. You can't have 6 Morgan Rielly's on your D nor is it wise to have 6 Matt Finn's, this is where intangible value has to be considered, it's harder to make an argument for this on hockey boards, goals and assists are easy to measure. They are instant, but ask Burke or Carlyle, safe mins is just as valuable than high risk mins.

I am pretty sure Matt was out against Brady Vail last night, and given Windsor didn't score, this is why Matt was the first star. Shut him down.

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Shutting down Brady Vail doesn't get you the first star, sorry. Lol.

Maybe if he shut down Kerby, and neutralized Ho-Sang....

Someone said prior to this, EXACTLY what I think of Finn. Maplehawk, maybe. People are gushing over this kid, but I see a far more pedestrian version of the player everyone raves about.

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Shutting down Brady Vail doesn't get you the first star, sorry. Lol.

Maybe if he shut down Kerby, and neutralized Ho-Sang....

Someone said prior to this, EXACTLY what I think of Finn. Maplehawk, maybe. People are gushing over this kid, but I see a far more pedestrian version of the player everyone raves about.
We differ a lot on player's value, I am not surprised we differ on Finn; however I am glad someone recognizes the value of an understated defender.

I don't want to bring up Gally in this thread but I think it illustrates a point in this thread I want to make. Gally looks so talented out there, people marvel about his talents. He has an overstatement of talents oozing out of him, yet in the US summer camp and this year in the OHL thus far, his pointsand play have been underwhelming.

So what player do you want, a flashy underachiever, or an understated overachiever?

BTW Brady Vail up until Finn shut him down had 9 pts in 4 games this season, insignificant?

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I think this will be the standard Matt Finn game summary:

-A calming influence whenever on the ice
-Makes the simple correct play
-Makes a good first pass
-Anticipates plays
-Positional sound
-plays big mins
-Nothing spectacular, just gets the job done
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That's great but that doesn't deserve the first star in normal circumstances over a shutout performance... or even over any performances.
Ok ok...

I thought he played a strong game, but he seemed to have trouble getting pucks through from the blue line from what I saw. I wasn't 'at' the game (currently battling bronchitis), but I watched it on television. He's certainly a work horse for their team, but that's nothing new. Think he's got the defensive side down, he showed really good recovery when he was beaten also. He played/plays a ton of minutes, so he probably stood out to the folks making the star selections. I do wonder if all those minutes are beneficial. It was only one game, but to me he seemed to slow down as the game went on (this could be different to those who view him regularly).

Interactif's generalization of Finn is pretty bang on. People who expect him to be a standout with flash won't be impressed by him, but his approach to the game and the way he thinks it makes him valuable. Like Percy, he's one of those guys who really brings a balance to a defensive core and is valuable in a top-four because of the diversity in their game (all-round type).

Sparks did not get tested much at all in the game, which is why he likely didn't get 1st star honors. He made the stops when he had to and didn't give up much.

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We differ a lot on player's value, I am not surprised we differ on Finn; however I am glad someone recognizes the value of an understated defender.

I don't want to bring up Gally in this thread but I think it illustrates a point in this thread I want to make. Gally looks so talented out there, people marvel about his talents. He has an overstatement of talents oozing out of him, yet in the US summer camp and this year in the OHL thus far, his pointsand play have been underwhelming.

So what player do you want, a flashy underachiever, or an understated overachiever?

BTW Brady Vail up until Finn shut him down had 9 pts in 4 games this season, insignificant?
If we are talking about unfinished products I'll take the talent, not the one playing over his head. Playing over their heads is a temporary thing, that won't continue.

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If we are talking about unfinished products I'll take the talent, not the one playing over his head. Playing over their heads is a temporary thing, that won't continue.
Exactly.

And why bring up Gally, anyways? Not the same position, nor type of player.

Troolllllin'

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Ok ok...

I thought he played a strong game, but he seemed to have trouble getting pucks through from the blue line from what I saw. I wasn't 'at' the game (currently battling bronchitis), but I watched it on television. He's certainly a work horse for their team, but that's nothing new. Think he's got the defensive side down, he showed really good recovery when he was beaten also. He played/plays a ton of minutes, so he probably stood out to the folks making the star selections. I do wonder if all those minutes are beneficial. It was only one game, but to me he seemed to slow down as the game went on (this could be different to those who view him regularly).

Interactif's generalization of Finn is pretty bang on. People who expect him to be a standout with flash won't be impressed by him, but his approach to the game and the way he thinks it makes him valuable. Like Percy, he's one of those guys who really brings a balance to a defensive core and is valuable in a top-four because of the diversity in their game (all-round type).

Sparks did not get tested much at all in the game, which is why he likely didn't get 1st star honors. He made the stops when he had to and didn't give up much.
Cheers.

I wasn't against his generalization of Finn. I think it's pretty accurate as well. Those games however don't get you third star of a game, never mind the first star, which is why I (and most) people asummed he had an absolute great game. Perhaps over 10 blocked shots and 10 take-aways, etc.

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Exactly.

And why bring up Gally, anyways? Not the same position, nor type of player.

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Tolling? lol. I was making a point. Please read it, and think about what I said. It's crystal clear. Efficiency > Flash while not in every case, it is some cases.

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Ok ok...

I thought he played a strong game, but he seemed to have trouble getting pucks through from the blue line from what I saw. I wasn't 'at' the game (currently battling bronchitis), but I watched it on television. He's certainly a work horse for their team, but that's nothing new. Think he's got the defensive side down, he showed really good recovery when he was beaten also. He played/plays a ton of minutes, so he probably stood out to the folks making the star selections. I do wonder if all those minutes are beneficial. It was only one game, but to me he seemed to slow down as the game went on (this could be different to those who view him regularly).

Interactif's generalization of Finn is pretty bang on. People who expect him to be a standout with flash won't be impressed by him, but his approach to the game and the way he thinks it makes him valuable. Like Percy, he's one of those guys who really brings a balance to a defensive core and is valuable in a top-four because of the diversity in their game (all-round type).

Sparks did not get tested much at all in the game, which is why he likely didn't get 1st star honors. He made the stops when he had to and didn't give up much.
He's a player that will grow on people I believe, people may recall Sylvain Lefebvre, think of Finn as him with more offensive upside.

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Tolling? lol. I was making a point. Please read it, and think about what I said. It's crystal clear. Efficiency > Flash while not in every case, it is some cases.
You've been parading Gally's slow start for awhile now. He's not a defenseman, and if you want to get technical, when it comes to talent and ability, Finn couldn't tie his boots.

Why can't you like a prospect without bagging on another?

You're a sad old man, it seems.

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