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10-16-2012, 12:35 PM
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Free Agency would be at 28 and 8 years of service.
Players won't be in favor of that.

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I was more against the NHL than the NHLPA. But if they decline, I will be more against the NHLPA.
That's exactly it. Now it's all on the players and it'll show if they really just want to play or not.

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Players won't be in favor of that.
That's a 1 year increase in ELC and a 3 year increase on RFA status? I don't think it's that bad.

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Players won't be in favor of that.
That's just an excuse they would use. By the way, the Wire is the best show ever.

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I'm confused. So is the NHL new proposal JUST changing to 50/50?

What about the NHL's originial proposal that UFA hits after 10 seasons, and a new Entry-level-contracts reaching 5 seasons? Are those proposals scrapped?

Edit: NVM, just got beat.

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Fair offer from the NHL. I don't see the NHLPA outright accepting it, but I think this could be what leads to a potential deal sooner than later.

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That's a 1 year increase in ELC and a 3 year increase on RFA status? I don't think it's that bad.
That's quite a huge difference. Another year of ELC and getting to FA at a later date keeps the salaries down quite a bit. Doesn't help that contract length would be just 5 years as well. Compared to NBA and MLB, it seems a bit restricted (don't know enough about NFL to compare).

I think there is a deal to be made in the offer but it will need to be tweaked a little bit to give something to the players.

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That's just an excuse they would use. By the way, the Wire is the best show ever.
It really is.

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I'm confused. So is the NHL new proposal JUST changing to 50/50?

What about the NHL's originial proposal that UFA hits after 10 seasons, and a new Entry-level-contracts reaching 5 seasons? Are those proposals scrapped?

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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-l..._cba_proposal/


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Revenue sharing would be at or near 200 million dollars

Contract Lengths would be 5 years.

Arbitration would still exist
Definitely makes holding onto your picks more important.

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ELSC - 4 years
UFA - 28 years old or 7 years service.
Maximum contract length - 7 years (same amount of service required for UFA status)

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That's a 1 year increase in ELC and a 3 year increase on RFA status? I don't think it's that bad.
They might bargain it a little more to reach a middle ground from there. Like 1 year increase in ELC and 1 year increase in RFA status or something like that.

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Definitely makes holding onto your picks more important.
Holding on to picks--- something that the leafs finally started doing the last few years. (Besides Kessel trade).

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10-16-2012, 12:50 PM
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A condensed schedule would make backup goalies crucial, which would be great news for teams like the Leafs who have two.

Heh.

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Either way, they have something to work off. We knew it wasn't going to be 100% done today. They'll have some things to hammer out but it sounds like the NHLPA has the NHL right where they want them.

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Hopefully it gets done. Would be good if it was a shortened season like in the nba. We would have less time to **** up our playoff position


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10-16-2012, 01:00 PM
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If the NHLPA doesn't respond in kind, the pressure on the players, the absolute disgust that will come their way will be palpable. I say this is the beginning of the end, the NHL has "blinked" somewhat, now the PA comes back and saves face bigtime. Get er done, I need my fix of Reimer getting beat glovehand twice a game!

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10-16-2012, 01:01 PM
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Hopefully it gets done. Would be good if it was a shortened season like in the nba. We would have less time to **** up our playoff position
82 games required for this contract offer.


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10-16-2012, 01:07 PM
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Can someone please explain to me how the "Redden" rule being added into the proposal makes any sense for the owners? Why would they add this in? I just dont see how that makes any sense for them

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Can someone please explain to me how the "Redden" rule being added into the proposal makes any sense for the owners? Why would they add this in? I just dont see how that makes any sense for them
Is this a shot at rich teams being allowed to bury cap in the minors?

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Can someone please explain to me how the "Redden" rule being added into the proposal makes any sense for the owners? Why would they add this in? I just dont see how that makes any sense for them
If Redden's contract counted against the cap, current RFA Michael Del Zotto probably wouldn't get as much money as he would if Redden didn't count against the cap. Thus the owner's spend less money on player's salaries.

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That's a 1 year increase in ELC and a 3 year increase on RFA status? I don't think it's that bad.
RFA status is essentially the same, pushed back only by the 1 year added to the ELC.

Also, just saw the limits on contract length.

I think the PA will give in on ELCs, they won't effect anyone currently in the PA so it's not a major sticking point for them. The extra year on RFA/UFA status shouldn't be a huge sticking point, but I could see them leveraging it for longer deals instead of the 5 the league proposed, even if it ends at 8.

Either way, no matter how you slice it, this is a very good day for hockey fans.

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If Redden's contract counted against the cap, current RFA Michael Del Zotto probably won't get as much money as he would if Redden didn't count against the cap.
If Redden's contract counts against the cap, it has no baring on MDZ's contract, besides the fact that he would probably become available because the Rangers can't fit him in...

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So its basically a Brian Burke **** you to GMs like Sather and Gillis?

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There goes the Rangers method of burying contracts...

@JSportsnet: Another interesting tidbit from NHL offer... Players' Salaries for those NHLers playing in the AHL would be part of the cap.

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If Redden's contract counts against the cap, it has no baring on MDZ's contract, besides the fact that he would probably become available because the Rangers can't fit him in...
Redden's contract does not count against the cap in the season, but does in the off season, but that is where the 10% overage comes into play.

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Redden's contract does not count against the cap in the season, but does in the off season, but that is where the 10% overage comes into play.
Wouldnt that get negated by this new rule?

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So its basically a Brian Burke **** you to GMs like Sather and Gillis?
Burke took advantage of that rule. He'd be a hypocrit if what you are suggesting was true.

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