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10-16-2012, 03:37 PM
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Limit on contract length will remain unchanged? Doesn't bode well for the Leafs.
The NHL proposed that any new contracts under the next CBA would be no more then 5 years, although that's not to say the NHLPA might want 6 years maximum. Either way I guess Burke knew what he was doing by not offering those 10+ years deals over the past few years.

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hahah aand cuba is winning... wow

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Hopefully Fehr agrees that this is a fair deal and sells it to the players.
I very much doubt that the NHLPA will just accept. No way a seasoned negotiator like Fehr just accepts or Bettman even expects him to, there are still items to be negotiated. There will 100% be some back and forth for a little while yet. With the NHL saying they want the season to start Nov. 2 we'll see some PR pressure on the PA to get back to the table. I'm betting on at least another week or week and a half of strong serious negotiations.

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Limit on contract length will remain unchanged? Doesn't bode well for the Leafs.
I see there being a capped length introduced. May not be 5 years but the NHLPA will have to accept something. Will likely see ELC, Arbitration and maybe even FA remain unchanged.

Would the NHL lower the FA age to implement a salary cap?????

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The NHL proposed that any new contracts under the next CBA would be no more then 5 years, although that's not to say the NHLPA might want 6 years maximum. Either way I guess Burke knew what he was doing by not offering those 10+ years deals over the past few years.
I knew the initial offers had that stipulation. I wasn't aware this latest one did as well.

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I very much doubt that the NHLPA will just accept. No way a seasoned negotiator like Fehr just accepts or Bettman even expects him to, there are still items to be negotiated. There will 100% be some back and forth for a little while yet. With the NHL saying they want the season to start Nov. 2 we'll see some PR pressure on the PA to get back to the table. I'm betting on at least another week or week and a half of strong serious negotiations.
Fehr will do what the Players tell him to do.

I agree though, they will tweak this a bit but it certainly looks like we will have hockey.

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10-16-2012, 03:52 PM
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Fehr will do what the Players tell him to do.

I agree though, they will tweak this a bit but it certainly looks like we will have hockey.
I believe that is partly true but the players will also strongly consider what Fehr advises them to do. Guaranteed he's telling them to counter.

I think they may accept the 50/50 but will counter the repayment structure. I don't see the NHL coming off that 50/50 split though was surprised they threw it in. Would've expected maybe 49%/51% forcing them to counter around the 50% mark. I think the NHL will stand fast on that but woudl not be shocked if they accepted a little less since they threw it in.

Also I didn't hear very much about revenue sharing and expect to hear MUCH more about that with the NHLPA's counter offer.

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10-16-2012, 04:20 PM
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50/50 Nhl Offer

NHL announced the offer today, personally I think it's a huge jump and I'm incredibly excited. I actually feel optimistic that the season might start soon! (November 2nd according to their plans)

NHL Resource Link: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=643558

What are your guys thoughts?

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I very much doubt that the NHLPA will just accept. No way a seasoned negotiator like Fehr just accepts or Bettman even expects him to, there are still items to be negotiated. There will 100% be some back and forth for a little while yet. With the NHL saying they want the season to start Nov. 2 we'll see some PR pressure on the PA to get back to the table. I'm betting on at least another week or week and a half of strong serious negotiations.
Thanks for your input, although I didnt say "Fehr sells it so they will accept"... Aslong as he sells it so they dont just flat out reject it, we could be in business. If they like the HRR at 50/50 with no rollback, then the other factors can be negotiated.

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10-16-2012, 04:23 PM
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NHL announced the offer today, personally I think it's a huge jump and I'm incredibly excited. I actually feel optimistic that the season might start soon! (November 2nd according to their plans)

NHL Resource Link: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=643558

What are your guys thoughts?
Gary thought he could play hardball. The players that wanted a pay check signed in Europe. Gary's owners aren't going to tolerate huge losses this year. Gary is starting to cave.

Players should turn this down an see what the next one is.

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10-16-2012, 04:30 PM
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If teams are currently at the cap based on 57%, and the new CBA has a 50% ratio, teams that are currently spending to 57% will have to make adjustments.

So while there will be no rollback, are there going to be teams forced into trades, a amnesty for buy-outs, allowed contract renegotiations, or are they going to allow teams to spend over the cap and reduce their caps by that amount in subsequent years?

Take this year's $70 cap hit and reduce it by 7%, leaves a cap of $65.1

According to Capgeek:

Boston Bruins $68,867,976
Minnesota Wild $68,848,867
Vancouver Canucks $67,768,333
Calgary Flames $66,668,332
Philadelphia Flyers $66,643,373
San Jose Sharks $65,241,667

Keep in mind some teams have more players signed in that figure.

Again, no rollback, but will there be cap compliance with the new amount?

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Gary thought he could play hardball. The players that wanted a pay check signed in Europe. Gary's owners aren't going to tolerate huge losses this year. Gary is starting to cave.

Players should turn this down an see what the next one is.
The next offer is a lost season and the same offer 8 months from now.

The players would be stupid to turn it down.

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If teams are currently at the cap based on 57%, and the new CBA has a 50% ratio, teams that are currently spending to 57% will have to make adjustments.

So while there will be no rollback, are there going to be teams forced into trades, a amnesty for buy-outs, allowed contract renegotiations, or are they going to allow teams to spend over the cap and reduce their caps by that amount in subsequent years?

Take this year's $70 cap hit and reduce it by 7%, leaves a cap of $63.

According to Capgeek:

Boston Bruins $68,867,976
Minnesota Wild $68,848,867
Vancouver Canucks $67,768,333
Calgary Flames $66,668,332
Philadelphia Flyers $66,643,373
San Jose Sharks $65,241,667
Chicago Blackhawks $64,445,128
Buffalo Sabres $64,354,523
Montreal Canadiens $63,897,976
Washington Capitals $63,594,572
Toronto Maple Leafs $63,485,833
Tampa Bay Lightning $63,246,916

Keep in mind some teams have more players signed in that figure.

Again, no rollback, but will there be cap compliance with the new amount?
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Am told league offer also will allow teams to go over salary cap in Year 1 - up to $70 M max - as part of transition rules

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If teams are currently at the cap based on 57%, and the new CBA has a 50% ratio, teams that are currently spending to 57% will have to make adjustments.

So while there will be no rollback, are there going to be teams forced into trades, a amnesty for buy-outs, allowed contract renegotiations, or are they going to allow teams to spend over the cap and reduce their caps by that amount in subsequent years?

Take this year's $70 cap hit and reduce it by 7%, leaves a cap of $65.1.

According to Capgeek:

Boston Bruins $68,867,976
Minnesota Wild $68,848,867
Vancouver Canucks $67,768,333
Calgary Flames $66,668,332
Philadelphia Flyers $66,643,373
San Jose Sharks $65,241,667
Chicago Blackhawks $64,445,128
Buffalo Sabres $64,354,523
Montreal Canadiens $63,897,976
Washington Capitals $63,594,572
Toronto Maple Leafs $63,485,833
Tampa Bay Lightning $63,246,916

Keep in mind some teams have more players signed in that figure.

Again, no rollback, but will there be cap compliance with the new amount?
70 x .07 = 4.9, so the cap should be 65.1, correct me if im wrong thou.

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I believe they are going to turn this one down, but only to make some tweaks to it, like contract lengths, etc. I believe a new CBA will be in place before October 25th.

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Just noticed that league has left in the five year contact length.

Glad to see that kept, looks like they want that in for sure. I highly doubt they will be able to keep it at five however. Wouldn't be surprised to see it be negotiated up to seven or longer.

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Am told league offer also will allow teams to go over salary cap in Year 1 - up to $70 M max - as part of transition rules
Thats sweet for us, we have about 11.5 m coming off in guys that won't be coming back (Connolly, Lombo, and Mac, most likely), and likely a chance to move Komi with his cap hit being larger then actual salary.

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70 x .07 = 4.9, so the cap should be 65.1, correct me if im wrong thou.
Correct you are. Virtual calc let me down.

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Correct you are. Virtual calc let me down.
All the accounting work in uni made me catch it.

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I believe they are going to turn this one down, but only to make some tweaks to it, like contract lengths, etc. I believe a new CBA will be in place before October 25th.
I'll go one farther and say they get this done by Friday at the latest. Thursday night is my prediction.

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All the accounting work in uni made me catch it.
I had calculator turned on scientific. I'm surprised it doesn't do 70-7%= in scientific mode, like it does in standard.

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I'll go one farther and say they get this done by Friday at the latest. Thursday night is my prediction.
I'd be surprised if it is done by the end of the weekend.

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All the accounting work in uni made me catch it.
I hope you don't actually have a job as an accountant. If players share of revenue is currently 57% and becomes 50% the reduction is (50-57)/57 = -12.3%

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McKenzie said that the NHL would give leeway to those teams up to 70 million for the first year, but the following year they would have to comply.

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If this one (or an off branch of it) do not get accepted, I have little faith the season will be played at all.

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