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Canucks have management. Discuss. Part 42 IIRC. (Post #209)

Ooooooo...I get to continue another thread.

Benning still sucks, you know.


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Ooooooo...I get to continue another thread.

Benning still sucks, you know.
True but his drafting is hit or miss

Petterrson
Boeser
Gaudette
Demko
Forsling
Lockwood
Briesbois

BUT

Virtanen
Missing Tkachuck/Keller
Tramkin
Stewart

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True but his drafting is hit or miss

Petterrson
Boeser
Gaudette
Demko
Forsling
Lockwood
Briesbois

BUT

Virtanen
Missing Tkachuck/Keller
Tramkin
Stewart
Not sure I'd classify Lockwood and Brisebois as hits. What have they done?

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Not sure I'd classify Lockwood and Brisebois as hits. What have they done?
I would say that they are tracking well.

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True but his drafting is hit or miss

Petterrson
Boeser
Gaudette
Demko
Forsling
Lockwood
Briesbois

BUT

Virtanen
Missing Tkachuck/Keller
Tramkin
Stewart
What the heck was wrong with Tryamkin? He's a stud ...... who just happened to bolt for Russia.

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I would say that they are tracking well.
I wouldn't. I would say that maybe we see something from them a few years down the line, but I wouldn't expect either to be NHL players. Most likely AHLers.

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What the heck was wrong with Tryamkin? He's a stud ...... who just happened to bolt for Russia.
He was a very good bottom pairing defenseman, who will likely never play another game here. He'll offer as much utility going forward was Mackenze Stewart.

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Not sure I'd classify Lockwood and Brisebois as hits. What have they done?
Lockwood was Michigans best player as a freshman. What more would you want...?

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Lockwood was Michigans best player as a freshman. What more would you want...?
More than 8 goals and 20 points in 30 games? Let's see what he does this year, but it's way too early to call him a hit.

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More than 8 goals and 20 points in 30 games? Let's see what he does this year, but it's way too early to call him a hit.
He was one of their top scorers, used in every situation, and relied on as a leader as a freshman. You have to look at the makeup of the team, and Michigan was not a good team. He was really the only one on that ice every game contributing positively and had to create a lot of chances and possession plays himself

He was really really good

Source: Huge Michigan sports fan (poor me )

Brisebois on the other hand I can understand being wary about. He almost plays timid at times

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He was one of their top scorers, used in every situation, and relied on as a leader as a freshman. You have to look at the makeup of the team, and Michigan was not a good team. He was really the only one on that ice every game contributing positively and had to create a lot of chances and possession plays himself

He was really really good

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Brisebois on the other hand I can understand being wary about. He almost plays timid at times
Again, let's see what he does this year. 8 goals in 30 games doesn't scream "hit" to me. If he takes a step forward this year then maybe we have something.

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Maybe you can say tracking well, but until the make the NHL you can't call them hits that is for sure.

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Maybe you can say tracking well, but until the make the NHL you can't call them hits that is for sure.
Else Jordan Schroeder would be considered a "hit".

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More than 8 goals and 20 points in 30 games? Let's see what he does this year, but it's way too early to call him a hit.
Yeah maybe your right him and Briesbois arent hits officially yet but they are tracking pretty well. I think Lock will have a pretty good year coming up

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Maybe you can say tracking well, but until the make the NHL you can't call them hits that is for sure.
Tracking well or tracking poorly is pretty much how prospects should be weighed until they're a good 2-3 years into the NHL and have stabilized their careers.

Petterrson
Boeser
Gaudette
Demko
Dahlen
Lockwood
Goldobin
Briesbois
Juolevi
Virtanen
Stewart
Pedan

TRENDING VERY WELL
TRENDING WELL
TRENDING OK
TRENDING POORLY
TRENDING VERY POORLY

Tempting to put Juolevi as a poorly but he did have a pretty strong playoffs so I'll cut him some slack.

Feels stupid to have a 2017 draftee in there at all, but whatever.

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Maybe you can say tracking well, but until the make the NHL you can't call them hits that is for sure.
By the same logic, you can't call a player a bust until they retire.

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By the same logic, you can't call a player a bust until they retire.
I don't think that is true at all. A player when drafted would have certain expectations of being say a top 6 forward. if they are 24/25, and not in the NHL, I think it would be fair to call them a bust. I think working backwards from there you can say things like JV is Busting, Pedan is looking like a bust as well. Or Jordan Schreoder busted.

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True but his drafting is hit or miss

Petterrson
Boeser
Gaudette
Demko
Forsling
Lockwood
Briesbois

BUT

Virtanen
Missing Tkachuck/Keller
Tramkin
Stewart
Actually, when you look at that list the only real 'miss' is Virtanen, and there's still time for him.....Stewart is a throwaway as a seventh rounder, so hardly counts.

And I'm prepared to cut Jimbo some slack on the Tkachuk-Juolevi comparisons because top-pairing d-men are more valuable than wingers, but take longer to develop.

And when you consider that guys like Tryamkin, Forsling, Brisebois, Gaudette and Lockwood were drafted in rounds 3-5, you'd have to say objectively that Benning's draft record has been pretty damn impressive.

You can question some of the trades, but the draft has been rock-solid imo.

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He was a very good bottom pairing defenseman, who will likely never play another game here. He'll offer as much utility going forward was Mackenze Stewart.
So you would put Luc Bordon in the "loser draft" pile too?

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He was a very good bottom pairing defenseman, who will likely never play another game here. He'll offer as much utility going forward was Mackenze Stewart.
Actually, he can be a good trading chip if some team is able to convince him to return to North America. He is a NHL player, at least.

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So you would put Luc Bordon in the "loser draft" pile too?
Did he choose to leave?

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So you would put Luc Bordon in the "loser draft" pile too?
Completely different situations obviously. The comparison doesn't hold up.

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Tracking well or tracking poorly is pretty much how prospects should be weighed until they're a good 2-3 years into the NHL and have stabilized their careers.

Petterrson
Boeser
Gaudette
Demko
Dahlen
Lockwood
Goldobin
Briesbois
Juolevi
Virtanen
Stewart
Pedan

TRENDING VERY WELL
TRENDING WELL
TRENDING OK
TRENDING POORLY
TRENDING VERY POORLY

Tempting to put Juolevi as a poorly but he did have a pretty strong playoffs so I'll cut him some slack.

Feels stupid to have a 2017 draftee in there at all, but whatever.
I can agree with this. At one time people thought Cole Cassels was a hit and would be our guy to shut down McDavid. Let's give these guys some time before we call them hits or not. Just like Gaudette...wouldn't call him a hit but I would say he's tracking very well. If he even makes the NHL as a regular player that makes him a hit given where he was drafted.

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