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To Ottawa: Luongo, Hjalmarssen, Connauton(VAN's best D prospect)
To Chicago: Turris, Lehner, Raymond, Van 2nd
Reasoning:
Ottawa upgrades their goaltending as they are about to enter their window of contention with both Silfverberg and Zibanejad joining their roster. Zibanejad can take over from Turris, and they also get a good stay-at-home dman. Their excellent prospect pool means they can afford to give up a 1st to start being a legitimate contender a little sooner. Luongo gives them elite goaltending, which has been essential for cup-winners these past couple of years.
Chicago takes a massive downgrade from Hossa to Raymond but fill their 2 biggest longterm needs, a #2C and one of the best goalie prospects in the league. Trading the oldest member of the core for two players that will fill their biggest needs long-term is certainly worth considering. Not to mention Raymond is generally good for 20-20, with youth and potential upside to do more.
Vancouver gets the top-6 winger we need, as well as a 1st to help improve their prospect pool. Connauton plays the left side, and he may never get the shot he deserves on Vancouver's blueline with all the depth we have there. Anderson would make a reliable veteran backup for Schneider.
Criticism on value/team needs not being met expected and welcomed.
This makes absolutely no sense for Ottawa for a few reasons:
- we create a hole at the #2C position by trading Turris (Zibby is now being used as LW)
- Hjalmarsson would have been nice before we got Methot
- Luongo's contract. We'll take Andy and his 3 years remaining at a shade over $3M and Lehner as his eventual successor
I don't even like the premises of the proposal. Not a fan of Luongo, and for the reason above we don't need Hjalmarsson. Connauton would be redundant with Ceci, Borowiecki, Wiercioch, Blood, etc.
Ottawa gets: Luongo (contract lowers value tremendously), Hjalmarsson (2nd pairing at best), average D-prospect
for
Craig Anderson (starting goaltender with a much better contract than Luongo and not marginally worse in net), Robin Lehner (one of THE best goalie prospects in the NHL), Kyle Turris (2nd line center who has been wonderful for Ottawa and the organization is very high on) and a 1st round pick.
Are you off you're ****ing rocker? I wouldn't trade Lehner and Turris for that package let alone adding our starting goalie and a 1st. Holy ****. What a proposal.
Alright then, it appears I misjudged Ottawa's needs. Ah well. I had thought they had solid depth at centre and could afford losing Turris, but if that's not the case, then I guess it's an easy no for them.
I can't even begin to describe how much I dislike Luongo's contract.
It's been argued enough already but I'll be really interested to see how it ends up panning out.
If Lu falls off and plays a couple poor seasons before the end with a 6.7m paycheque and 5.3m cap hit, the deal isn't very good, even with the savings you get now.
If Luongo plays well until the whenever he decides to end his career, the contract is great. 5.3m for a goalie of that calibre is already a good deal, it's going to look even better as the years go by.
So Vancouver gives up a D spect, a 2nd, Raymond, and Luongo, and get back Hossa, Anderson, and a 1st? They take a downgrade in goal for a huge upgrade on wing and a better pick. Yes, that sounds fair.
Ottawa gives up their #2 center, starting goalie, top goalie prospect, and a 1st for an upgrade in goal, a D spect, and a D?
Chicago gives up a top winger and a top 4 D for a meh winger, a #2 center, a goalie prospect who really cannot help them win now, and a 2nd?
Ottawa gets: Luongo (contract lowers value tremendously), Hjalmarsson (2nd pairing at best), average D-prospect
for
Craig Anderson (starting goaltender with a much better contract than Luongo and not marginally worse in net), Robin Lehner (one of THE best goalie prospects in the NHL), Kyle Turris (2nd line center who has been wonderful for Ottawa and the organization is very high on) and a 1st round pick.
Are you off you're ****ing rocker? I wouldn't trade Lehner and Turris for that package let alone adding our starting goalie and a 1st. Holy ****. What a proposal.
This puts CarknerCountry to shame, folks.
Well if you only consider Luongo marginally better than Anderson, then there's not much to be gained arguing value.
And goalie prospects are notoriously hard to predict, it's not like saying "Huberdeau's one of the best forward prospects in the league".
And I wouldn't call Turris a bonafide #2C yet.
It seems like you're valuing potential much more than actual skill.
Last edited by Vankiller Whale: 10-06-2012 at 07:37 PM.
Reason: Typo
It's been argued enough already but I'll be really interested to see how it ends up panning out.
If Lu falls off and plays a couple poor seasons before the end with a 6.7m paycheque and 5.3m cap hit, the deal isn't very good, even with the savings you get now.
If Luongo plays well until the whenever he decides to end his career, the contract is great. 5.3m for a goalie of that calibre is already a good deal, it's going to look even better as the years go by.
Which is why the gamble isn't worth the risk to begin with for Ottawa. Anderson is an excellent fit while Lehner develops.
Alright then, it appears I misjudged Ottawa's needs. Ah well. I had thought they had solid depth at centre and could afford losing Turris, but if that's not the case, then I guess it's an easy no for them.
They didn't acquire him last season just for fun.
Even if you remove Turris from the deal, it's still bad.
Well if you only consider Luongo marginally better than Luongo, then there's not much to be gained arguing value.
And goalie prospects are notoriously hard to predict, it's not like saying "Huberdeau's one of the best forward prospects in the league".
And I wouldn't call Turris a bonafide #2C yet.
It seems like you're valuing potential much more than actual skill.
I'm the one who's valuing incorrectly? Anderson has more value to this team than Luongo. Without a doubt. 100%. No questions asked.
And because goalie prospects are harder to gauge on potential, that should discredit Lehner being one year removed from being a Calder Cup winning goalie, an AHL MVP and an absolute wall at 20 years of age? For what? That defensive prospect? No thanks.
You can question Turris' ability. That's fine. But he's certainly worth more than a 1st round pick.
Ottawa only gets worst after this.
