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10-24-2012, 09:28 AM
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In other news, Woodson is out at least 6 weeks... and I read in the MJS, that their main beat reporter doesn't expect the Packers to resign him. Also, it was reported last night or this morning that Jennings will need to see a groin specialist... and doesn't appear to be close to returning anytime soon.

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Cutler has been fine this year (Outside of GB Fiasco)

And the big worry for me is that Newton's mobility gave Bears trouble last year ,, Dont want to get into a shootout with an injured Cutler
Last year wasn't really a shootout, the Bears were up 34-23 with 5 seconds left to go in the game. They let in a garbage TD with 4 seconds left.

Cam doesn't look like the same QB this year as they have gotten rid of a lot of the spread offense stuff they were doing last year and are trying to turn him into a pocket passer.

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10-24-2012, 04:27 PM
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The thing that always torpedos Cutler's QB rating is he'll have one or two games a year where he's just terrible. This year it was the Green Bay game. Also the Bears haven't played a game this year where they were down big early and the other team is giving them easy completions in exchange for keeping the clock running and not getting beat deep.

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That's complete BS. 4 of the 6 games we've played in were blow outs, and one of the two that wasn't we don't even know if he could throw the ball... but it sure looked to me that he was hurt this Monday. Would you rather him start chucking it in garbage time to rack up stats to make you happy to statistically meet his contract? I'd rather kill the clock on the ground late in games when we're up 3+ scores, and not be the Patriots and continue throwing.
You want to know how many TD's cutler has thrown this year when either team was within single digits of eachother?

3. That's right, he's thrown 3 td passes when the game has been closer than 10 pts(4 if you include 10pts). The majority of his numbers have COME in garbage time. He's been average(at best) almost all season until teams sell out to stop the run.

The offense has been mediocre at best this season, cutler has been disappointing. The fact anyone is arguing with that just shows how deep the delusion goes. I don't understand how anyone can disagree that what the offense and cutler have shown this season is a far cry from impressive. And by the way, that jacksonville game was tied 3-3 at halftime, jacksonville, quite possibly the worst team in the NFL was tied with us 3-3 for an entire half, and we were only up 3 pts until their horrible QB threw a pick six.

Despite constantly getting decent field position thanks to an NFL leading 21 takeaways, our offense still struggles to do anything.

If we don't need a good performance from our offense or our qb, then why give up 2 first round picks and pay him a ******** of money? We've played exactly one game where our offense HAD to show up because our defense couldn't win us the game. The result? complete obliteration and laughable performance from the whole offense, including(maybe even especially) cutler.


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Russell Wilson has a higher passer rating than Cutler...all we needed to know about the metric.
why? He's completed a higher percentage of passes and has the same td:int ratio.

The stat isn't perfect but its far from meaningless.


Again, as the packer game showed, when we play teams that aren't going to fumble or throw the game away, our chances of winning are about 0 because the offense can't get it done.

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10-24-2012, 05:44 PM
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^ Dude, team is 5-1. Let's ***** when they lose. You have to admit early in the year the offensive line sucked. Heck, they were not all that great against Detroit.

Issue I still have. When is Jeffries coming back because Hester and Bennet don't do it for me. Team are going to start doubling Marshall in passing situations and we have absolutely no TE. That's a major issue.

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10-24-2012, 06:12 PM
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madgoat continuously rips on Cutler and defends the Lions and Stafford like no other. I think we can all just accept where his fandom really lies and move on

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5-1 I can't complain. The offense does need to get its **** together but I'll only complain if we lose.

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He's not alone. Cutler is among the least liked players in the NFL.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanri...liked-players/

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10-24-2012, 07:14 PM
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why? He's completed a higher percentage of passes and has the same td:int ratio.
All I'm saying is that anyone who thinks this team is better off with Russell Wilson, or Bradford, Palmer, Kolb, Fitzpatrick, Ponder, Dalton, Locker, or Freeman, all QBs with higher passer ratings at this point in the season than Cutler, should probably get their head checked.

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The offense has been mediocre at best this season, cutler has been disappointing. The fact anyone is arguing with that just shows how deep the delusion goes.

Again, as the packer game showed, when we play teams that aren't going to fumble or throw the game away, our chances of winning are about 0 because the offense can't get it done.
So the people who have some faith in this offense are 'delusional', but you, who is basing an argument off of just a single game, in which the gameplan was down right terrible in, aren't?

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10-24-2012, 09:46 PM
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You want to know how many TD's cutler has thrown this year when either team was within single digits of eachother?

3. That's right, he's thrown 3 td passes when the game has been closer than 10 pts(4 if you include 10pts). The majority of his numbers have COME in garbage time. He's been average(at best) almost all season until teams sell out to stop the run.

The offense has been mediocre at best this season, cutler has been disappointing. The fact anyone is arguing with that just shows how deep the delusion goes. I don't understand how anyone can disagree that what the offense and cutler have shown this season is a far cry from impressive. And by the way, that jacksonville game was tied 3-3 at halftime, jacksonville, quite possibly the worst team in the NFL was tied with us 3-3 for an entire half, and we were only up 3 pts until their horrible QB threw a pick six.

Despite constantly getting decent field position thanks to an NFL leading 21 takeaways, our offense still struggles to do anything.

If we don't need a good performance from our offense or our qb, then why give up 2 first round picks and pay him a ******** of money? We've played exactly one game where our offense HAD to show up because our defense couldn't win us the game. The result? complete obliteration and laughable performance from the whole offense, including(maybe even especially) cutler.




why? He's completed a higher percentage of passes and has the same td:int ratio.

The stat isn't perfect but its far from meaningless.


Again, as the packer game showed, when we play teams that aren't going to fumble or throw the game away, our chances of winning are about 0 because the offense can't get it done.
Look man, I've been critical of Cutler in the past but c'mon... What happened to this team after he went down last year? This team has always been defense first and you never see them get blown out. That Packers game was ugly. Talking about that Jags first half. By your train of thought the Bears beat Jacksonville, Jacksonville beat Indy, Indy beat Green Bay and Minnesota. It's the NFL, we're not talking about the Kings and Blue Jackets in the NFL, any game anybody can win any day. Cutler has reduced his turnovers and the Bears have a solid run game. Monday's game was a defensive battle. 5-1 is great no matter what.

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10-25-2012, 03:19 AM
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All I'm saying is that anyone who thinks this team is better off with Russell Wilson, or Bradford, Palmer, Kolb, Fitzpatrick, Ponder, Dalton, Locker, or Freeman, all QBs with higher passer ratings at this point in the season than Cutler, should probably get their head checked.



So the people who have some faith in this offense are 'delusional', but you, who is basing an argument off of just a single game, in which the gameplan was down right terrible in, aren't?
talk about moving the goalpost. i said the offense and cutler have been disappointing and everyone got their jimmies rustled. it has nothing to do with faith, it was stating an opinion, which i have a mountain of evidence to back up. but, if you want to talk about faith, then no, i have little faith in our offense because ive seenvery little to have faith in.

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10-25-2012, 05:13 AM
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lol and the cutler apologists close ranks. "qb rating is a garbage stat", "yea I'll take cutlers stats over drew brees' with a 5-1 record". completely delusional, cutler's stats suck because he hasn't played well not because the bears have, to think other wise is asinine especially since cutler didn't do shoot against the jags until the game was basically over.
Cutler is 5-1. This is better and more important than Brees with his 10000 passing yards this year and his W-L record

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talk about moving the goalpost. i said the offense and cutler have been disappointing and everyone got their jimmies rustled. it has nothing to do with faith, it was stating an opinion, which i have a mountain of evidence to back up. but, if you want to talk about faith, then no, i have little faith in our offense because ive seenvery little to have faith in.
So you nitpick the use of 1 word, and that becomes be moving the goalpost? And then you agree that what I said was true? Okay then...

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So you nitpick the use of 1 word, and that becomes be moving the goalpost? And then you agree that what I said was true? Okay then...
No, the discussion we were having had nothing to do with faith, it was that people were arguing against my statement that our offense/cutler have been a disappointment so far.

I find it extremely hard to be confident in a team that relies so much on turnovers. I know they are preached by the coaching staff, but right now they are on pace for 56 takeaways and 13 defensive tds, I just don't see any way that pace holds. With the way our offense has struggled to do much before we already have a firm grasp of the game via our defense, I can't think of this team as being a true SB contender until the offense shows something more. Both the jacksonville and detroit games made me really question what the bears are doing offensively. Letting teams hang around like that doesn't instill confidence.

And excuses like "well we were already winning", "cutler is limiting his turnovers", don't do anything to change that. Whats the point of giving up two first rounders and paying a guy out the ass only to have to play like you have Kyle Orton at QB so he doesn't lose you the game?

Cutler has got A LOT to prove, he's talented but he's never consistently played at a high enough for me to believe we can win a super bowl with him under center. Hopefully, he proves me wrong, but as of right now the clock is ticking. He's quickly approaching 30 and has one playoff win to his credit against a team from a horrible division that finished with a 7-9 record.

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Cutler is 5-1. This is better and more important than Brees with his 10000 passing yards this year and his W-L record
We all know the bears are 5-1, but that doesn't mean the offense has been good. I'm not asking for 350 yards a game with 3 tds, but for all the preseason hype around the offense, I don't think expecting him to have a 4000 yard season and throw 25+tds with 15 or so picks should have been that lofty an expectation(numbers he's not close to on pace for). Isn't it possible he and the offense just aren't that good?

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Cutlers QB rating is 25th. Im seeing something along the lines of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. Not saying the Bears will have the same results but that would be nice. The Ravens had one of the weakest winning SB QBs in Dilfer. Defense carried that team. The Bears d may not be as good as the 2000 Ravens and Cutler may be better than Dilfer but thats my comparison so far.

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We all know the bears are 5-1, but that doesn't mean the offense has been good. I'm not asking for 350 yards a game with 3 tds, but for all the preseason hype around the offense, I don't think expecting him to have a 4000 yard season and throw 25+tds with 15 or so picks should have been that lofty an expectation(numbers he's not close to on pace for). Isn't it possible he and the offense just aren't that good?
They're are not some elite offense but how many teams are? The thing you notice with a team like Atlanta is more credible pass targets. The Bears do NOT have a TE that can get open or catch a ball. It's all up to Marshall at this point. Bennett and Hester are below average at WR. Then you have that hit or miss O-Line. It's not all Cutler. This coming from a guy that doesn't like him.

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The Bears defense has been great, but outside of the Cowboys game, I'm not sure I'd term any of the wins defensive wins this season. Possibly throw the Lions game in there since they basically shut them out until the end.

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Greg Jennings is going to have abdominal surgery next Tuesday... not expected to be season ending, for the record. Not sure why they're waiting half a week, but OK...

Oh, and Jordy Nelson's hammy got tight and won't test it out until Saturday at the earliest, pending how it feels then. It tightened up on him yesterday at practice.


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Russell Wilson has a higher passer rating than Cutler...all we needed to know about the metric.
And don't even get me started on ESPN's "QBR"...

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We all know the bears are 5-1, but that doesn't mean the offense has been good. I'm not asking for 350 yards a game with 3 tds, but for all the preseason hype around the offense, I don't think expecting him to have a 4000 yard season and throw 25+tds with 15 or so picks should have been that lofty an expectation(numbers he's not close to on pace for). Isn't it possible he and the offense just aren't that good?
I'm trying to understand what your problem is. Is it reading? Or comprehension?

It's been stated SEVERAL times in this thread, that this is a FIRST YEAR OFFENSE again, and Cutler's 4th offense in 5 years. OF COURSE ITS OFF TO A SLOW START! Enough already! We get it! They don't need to be lights-out right now to win games with how the defense is playing. As long as this offense can keep improving and be solid come playoff time, that's all the Bears need. So stop *****ing about how things are right now. It's a pointless argument.

In regards to Cutler, he was as sharp as any QB in the NFL last year before he got hurt. He was beginning to master the 2nd year of Martz's offense and was moving the ball well against tough opponents and keeping us in, and winning games. This year, he has to start all over again. He's shown enough times that he can win big games, so let's hold the criticism until the offense gets some more time together.

Jeez....

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what improvement have you seen in the offense? week one was their best game...i guess the oline isnt as badas it was vs gb? the reason we have to worry about right now is that unless the offense figures it out fast, i dont see a superbowl winning team and how long do you think the defense is going to play at this level? the 4 best players on it are all over 30. not only do i think the defense will fall of as the year progresses, im worried that this could be the last time we see this defense be capable of carrying a team

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