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11-04-2012, 09:45 PM
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My recap from the AHL thread:


I can quote the tweets from Marlies twitter. Youve got it backwards. Ashton absolutely demolished Baertshi in the third and Sven attempted to retaliate...

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The team lacks physical bangers with heart. There is too much skill and no grit again..

Ross should be playing every game

hopefully Devane comes back soon. Having lines with all skill is clearly not working
Too many players, 28 - 29 players too many sitting. I agree got to get more streamlined into roles. You can't have all skill guys and you can't have only plumbers. Also would like to see some of the young guys pick it up. obviously Kadri, but D'amigo, Ashton, Deschamp, Blacker as well.

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Probably the major thing is that their pp sucks terribly. They need to get that straightened out pronto. The pp is main reason that the whole team has ****** stats. Not worried about any of the prospects and as for Kadri he's already proven himself in the ahl and the nhl so a slow start doesn't mean a thing; every player has a cold streak at some point (howabout Kovalchuk and his start with the Devils http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXh-Z...eature=related) and in this case the terrible pp with no set plays is the reason.


atleast someone understands this around here, kadri will be really good, just snake bitten at the moment, but he has not proven him self though in NHL, and i am a big fan of him

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11-05-2012, 09:38 AM
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atleast someone understands this around here, kadri will be really good, just snake bitten at the moment, but he has not proven him self though in NHL, and i am a big fan of him
I dunno, he has several times been the best player for the leafs in his limited time in the nhl (exibition and regular season). He's won them games (new jersey last year) and been a big part of their winning record with him in the lineup. He's certainly been more effective then nhl regulars like Lombardi or Crabb. I think he's definitely proven himself as nhl worthy. Furthermore, he only had limited turnovers in the nhl last year, he turns it over way more in the ahl. He hasn't proven himself as an NHL superstar or 3rd line specialist but as a regular player, yup he's there.
Here's the thing: if it was a team on the rebuild then anybody should recognize that Kadri would likely be playing on the second line. The leaf's however are a team that's been struggling for a playoff spot for years and they are forced to go with established scorers like MacArthur or Kulemin. Kadri hasn't beat those guys out yet so that's likely why he's not playing. Trade him to Colorado or Columbus and you will see him as an NHL regular. Teams going for the playoffs tend to go with with established veterans for the scoring lines and sometimes give young guys some sheltered third line minutes like Schenn in Philly.
also of note: Kadri is just one of the majority of marlies whose production is down close to 50% or more including Aucoin, Zigo, Hamilton, Scott, Ashton, D'amigo, etc. It's obviously systemic. The unfortunate thing is that this is the worst time for it to happen to a guy like Kadri who was desperately trying to crack the bigs this year. I've already seen an article that says his production this year isn't good enough to warrant playing in the nhl. Dude's got tuff luck.


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11-05-2012, 10:58 AM
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Marlies have Houston Aeroes on Thursday, Texas Stars on Friday, and San Antonio on Saturday.

It's a good chance for the Marlies to right the ship as all these teams have had average starts as well. I also believe Houston's Jonas Brodin and Mikael Granlund (two young, very promising players) are injured for several weeks, so that gives us the advantage.

Both Texas and San Antonio are at the bottom of their division too, although they have good rosters on paper. Texas goaltending has been shakey by the looks of it with both having sub-900 save %. San Antonio looks like they are having a bit of scoring issues like the Marlies at the moment.

Hopefully the Marlies come to play. With three games in three days I imagine we may see the likes of Andrew Crescenzi and Jamie Devane make an appearance at some point. Fresh bodies should be used in these types of situations so hopefully that is the case.

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atleast someone understands this around here, kadri will be really good, just snake bitten at the moment, but he has not proven him self though in NHL, and i am a big fan of him
Yeah I'm really hoping he steps it up soon. He has the third most shots on goal in the team and yet none of them went in. I was so stoked after I heard about him training with Roberts. He is however one of the best players for the Marlies overall so far. He has played many solid games and I like the fact that he doesn't fall as much as he did last year. I remember seeing him on his stomach almost every shift he was on the ice but he'd be so fast to get up again.

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If the goal is to develop NHL ready players then Ross & Devane should be playing regularly, We want Devane to be the future 4th line banger PK enforcer who can play in the NHL then he should be playing in the AHL

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If the goal is to develop NHL ready players then Ross & Devane should be playing regularly, We want Devane to be the future 4th line banger PK enforcer who can play in the NHL then he should be playing in the AHL
You must be new here. Zigomanis is the future of the Leafs. Just ask Don Cherry.

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Interview with Eakins yesterday:

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Marlies have Houston Aeroes on Thursday, Texas Stars on Friday, and San Antonio on Saturday.

It's a good chance for the Marlies to right the ship as all these teams have had average starts as well. I also believe Houston's Jonas Brodin and Mikael Granlund (two young, very promising players) are injured for several weeks, so that gives us the advantage.

Both Texas and San Antonio are at the bottom of their division too, although they have good rosters on paper. Texas goaltending has been shakey by the looks of it with both having sub-900 save %. San Antonio looks like they are having a bit of scoring issues like the Marlies at the moment.

Hopefully the Marlies come to play. With three games in three days I imagine we may see the likes of Andrew Crescenzi and Jamie Devane make an appearance at some point. Fresh bodies should be used in these types of situations so hopefully that is the case.
If the NHL is getting close Kadri better get his head on straight and accomplish something.

Excuses are getting old, and he puts himself out there as the answer. I'd like to know what is the question.

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If the NHL is getting close Kadri better get his head on straight and accomplish something.

Excuses are getting old, and he puts himself out there as the answer. I'd like to know what is the question.

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he is making his statement, played very well, just snake bitten. he will be okay

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I dunno, he has several times been the best player for the leafs in his limited time in the nhl (exibition and regular season). He's won them games (new jersey last year) and been a big part of their winning record with him in the lineup. He's certainly been more effective then nhl regulars like Lombardi or Crabb. I think he's definitely proven himself as nhl worthy. Furthermore, he only had limited turnovers in the nhl last year, he turns it over way more in the ahl. He hasn't proven himself as an NHL superstar or 3rd line specialist but as a regular player, yup he's there.
Here's the thing: if it was a team on the rebuild then anybody should recognize that Kadri would likely be playing on the second line. The leaf's however are a team that's been struggling for a playoff spot for years and they are forced to go with established scorers like MacArthur or Kulemin. Kadri hasn't beat those guys out yet so that's likely why he's not playing. Trade him to Colorado or Columbus and you will see him as an NHL regular. Teams going for the playoffs tend to go with with established veterans for the scoring lines and sometimes give young guys some sheltered third line minutes like Schenn in Philly.
also of note: Kadri is just one of the majority of marlies whose production is down close to 50% or more including Aucoin, Zigo, Hamilton, Scott, Ashton, D'amigo, etc. It's obviously systemic. The unfortunate thing is that this is the worst time for it to happen to a guy like Kadri who was desperately trying to crack the bigs this year. I've already seen an article that says his production this year isn't good enough to warrant playing in the nhl. Dude's got tuff luck.
Im actually not that worried about his production in the AHL. In junior, I thought he was way ahead of his linemates in terms of reading the play and ability to pass in traffic. Many times he was setting up teammates who didnt have ability to cash-in. I see similar things in the AHL. If you put Naz at centre between Lupul and Kessel, he would get a bucket load of points. I really believe Kadri is spending time in the AHL looking to improve other aspects of his game, which will help him stay in the NHL once he get there.

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Im actually not that worried about his production in the AHL. In junior, I thought he was way ahead of his linemates in terms of reading the play and ability to pass in traffic. Many times he was setting up teammates who didnt have ability to cash-in. I see similar things in the AHL. If you put Naz at centre between Lupul and Kessel, he would get a bucket load of points. I really believe Kadri is spending time in the AHL looking to improve other aspects of his game, which will help him stay in the NHL once he get there.
I think so and I hope this is true. I think he has tremendous skill and it will get wasted at times in the AHL. Maybe with some time with Frattin he will cash in a little more at least get some more assists. We'll see anyway. But it's true about how he will be played on other rebuilding teams. He would at least be on the 2nd line getting minimal minutes if he is bad that day. Let him learn from the pros.

Who knows, maybe Burke had more faith in Eakins with the young guys then Wilson.

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I dunno, he has several times been the best player for the leafs in his limited time in the nhl (exibition and regular season).
Seriously, 19 points in 51 games, 7 points last year in the NHL and you say several times he was the "best player"?

I think he deserves a long look in the NHL now (although this performance to date in the AHL this year is bordering on troubling) but not sure why we all have to exaggerate like Kadri is a proven commodity in the show, he isn't. Everyone comes up and looks great their first few games (you mentioned Crabb, remember his first few games up?), it's after the initial HIGH wears off that you see if a guy is NHL calibre. Kadri has never shown he can be consistent in the NHL, nevermind the A for that matter.

I am very disappointed that Kadri isn't ripping the living shat out of the AHL this year, he should be, there is really no excuse, to hear snake bit talk is just more excuses. Rip it up, shut up, stop talking with unjustified confidence and just rip it up! That's what potential stars do, especially when given primetime powerplay time to pad your stats, so far Kadri has taken a step back imho.

Going into this season I assumed Nazem would be with the big club, after this disinterested, uneven, dangling around the perimeter start, he is playing himself off the team, AGAIN. It's not management, it's not the coaches, it's the player, take some ownership.

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Kadri is one of those players that play better with better players around him.

Think of it this way, put yourself in his shoes. You were so stoked to play on the big team this year after getting a taste of it last year. Boom, lockout, and now he's stuck in the A another year. He's not giving it his all, and quite honestly, neither would I.

Wait till he's in the NHL permanently. He'll increase his play drastically. He looked solid at points last year

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I can quote the tweets from Marlies twitter. Youve got it backwards. Ashton absolutely demolished Baertshi in the third and Sven attempted to retaliate...
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He sounds like he is aware something is off. I watched all of the other interviews, really like Ranger's attitude more and more. His goal didn't matter to him as the team didn't win and couldn't do anything, classy talk.

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Kadri is one of those players that play better with better players around him.

Think of it this way, put yourself in his shoes. You were so stoked to play on the big team this year after getting a taste of it last year. Boom, lockout, and now he's stuck in the A another year. He's not giving it his all, and quite honestly, neither would I.

Wait till he's in the NHL permanently. He'll increase his play drastically. He looked solid at points last year
Since we lack so called better players, which Team should he be traded too so that we can see his Drastically improved play with our own Eye's.

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Think of it this way, put yourself in his shoes. You were so stoked to play on the big team this year after getting a taste of it last year. Boom, lockout, and now he's stuck in the A another year. He's not giving it his all, and quite honestly, neither would I.
Well he wasn't exactly guaranteed a spot with the Leafs and Gardiner and Holzer, both of whom were much more likely to start the year in the NHL are playing well.

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Kadri is one of those players that play better with better players around him.

Think of it this way, put yourself in his shoes. You were so stoked to play on the big team this year after getting a taste of it last year. Boom, lockout, and now he's stuck in the A another year. He's not giving it his all, and quite honestly, neither would I.

Wait till he's in the NHL permanently. He'll increase his play drastically. He looked solid at points last year
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He's not giving it his all ???? Unbelievable statement,now you see the problem with him.

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I think once he gets in shape he'll be fine.

Rielly looks like the real deal though. Can't hit a homerun with every pick, but the singles will add up.

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is there any streams online for this or is the AHL package the only way to watch this?

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Kadri is far from being too good for the AHL, so there's no reason he shouldn't be working his ass off every shift.

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expected lineup vs aeros: Kadri-Colborne-Zigomanis, Komarov-Aucoin-Abbott, Hamilton-McKegg-Scott, Ashton-Acton-Deschamps



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