umm...maybe you meant 48%, otherwise that makes no sense. And that's a terrible analogy. The difference between 58 points and 60 points isn't the difference between passing or failing. Winning or losing. Playoffs or no playoffs. It's two points. Haters thinking they're making a point by saying that Grabovski has never even hit 60 points is hilarious. Even more so because the same people are pumping Kulemin's tires. Until this season Kessel's career high was 64 points. Were you down on him because he'd never even hit 65?
So...what logic doesnt fly exactly? That falling 3% short of an arbitrary benchmark isn't a big deal? Because you made a comparison to passing a test in school?
So Bozak is a 50 pt Center to you in 73 games. How do you like em apples.
I'm glad we can finally call Phil Kessel a 40 goal scorer.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If Grabo could make those type of plays consistently, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Moving the goalposts much? If Grabovski made plays like that all the time, he would be the best player in the league. That was an incredible display of skating, stickhandling at top speed, and playmaking vision. Nobody pulls those off all the time. But Grabovski makes a few higher end plays every year.
That was Markov he dangled by the way, not some nobody.
Here's the same pass he gave to Kulemin minus the nifty dangles:
When you watch the slow-mo, you realize this wasnt just a lucky mistake, it was pure skill:
edit: wait...you're the guy who thinks Grabovski is a perimeter player why am I wasting my time?
So Bozak is a 50 pt Center to you in 73 games. How do you like em apples.
I'm glad we can finally call Phil Kessel a 40 goal scorer.
Did I ever call Grabovski a 60 point center? Because if I didnt, why are you continuing to ignore what I actually said to respond to something I didn't?
I was addressing the way deluded people like yourself denigrate Grabovski's NHL career thus far by saying "he hasnt even hit 60 points." Apparently this is too difficult for you to get your head around? No, he hasnt hit 60 points. He's hit 58. And until last season, people who wanted to hate on Phil Kessel used the same stupid argument ("hasnt even hit 65 points"). And you and other have gone on a fair bit about how great Kulemin is. You know he also has yet to hit 60 points yet, right?
Watching these videos, well not really, we all know Grabo is a streaky player who can sporadically put up a few highlight reel goals. But If he is as great as these posters seem to think he is, then why are we still looking for a No.1 Center? Surely Grabo can fill that role, if he is as good as you guys claim he is.
Grabs would allow them to maintain the puck in the other teams end longer creating more chances for the line.
Based on what? Grabo isn't a very good forechecker, and he's not a very good faceoff man. How does one more player who likes to handle the puck create longer offensive possession times?
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Grabs one the line would allow them to defend better, ending up with less time in their own end.
Highly doubtful. I don't think Grabo is any better defensively (nevermind considerably better) than one of our better PKers he'd be replacing on the line.
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The line would be faster, creating more chances.
Bozak's speed is just fine. I don't think the line would be that much faster. As for the amount of chances created... who knows?
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Another threat on the line, instead of Bozak passing the puck all the time to Kessel, would make the line less predictable, creating more chances.
Bozak's over-passing is almost as predictable as Grabo's over-shooting. It's not what either of them does all the time, but what they do most of the time. The unpredictability factor of the line comes from not knowing whether Kessel will shoot or pass. Kessel having the puck less therefore would make the line more predictable.
Watching these videos, well not really, we all know Grabo is a streaky player who can sporadically put up a few highlight reel goals. But If he is as great as these posters seem to think he is, then why are we still looking for a No.1 Center? Surely Grabo can fill that role, if he is as good as you guys claim he is.
In this thread not a single person has claimed Grabovski is a #1 center in the NHL. You fail again. And none of those videos are of Grabovski scoring.
Moving the goalposts much? If Grabovski made plays like that all the time, he would be the best player in the league. That was an incredible display of skating, stickhandling at top speed, and playmaking vision. Nobody pulls those off all the time. But Grabovski makes a few higher end plays every year.
That was Markov he dangled by the way, not some nobody.
Here's the same pass he gave to Kulemin minus the nifty dangles:
When you watch the slow-mo, you realize this wasnt just a lucky mistake, it was pure skill:
edit: wait...you're the guy who thinks Grabovski is a perimeter player why am I wasting my time?
here comes the YouTube evidence that NHL players pass, skate, shoot, check, and score.
Based on what? Grabo isn't a very good forechecker, and he's not a very good faceoff man. How does one more player who likes to handle the puck create longer offensive possession times?
Grabovski is an excellent forechecker.
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Bozak's speed is just fine. I don't think the line would be that much faster. As for the amount of chances created... who knows?
Grabovski is a lot faster than Bozak, a much better playmaker, and a much faster decision-maker with the puck.
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Bozak's over-passing is almost as predictable as Grabo's over-shooting. It's not what either of them does all the time, but what they do most of the time. The unpredictability factor of the line comes from not knowing whether Kessel will shoot or pass. Kessel having the puck less therefore would make the line more predictable.
Grabo's over-shooting? Really? This is a problem you really think he has?
Did I ever call Grabovski a 60 point center? Because if I didnt, why are you continuing to ignore what I actually said to respond to something I didn't?
I was addressing the way deluded people like yourself denigrate Grabovski's NHL career thus far by saying "he hasnt even hit 60 points." Apparently this is too difficult for you to get your head around? No, he hasnt hit 60 points. He's hit 58. And until last season, people who wanted to hate on Phil Kessel used the same stupid argument ("hasnt even hit 65 points"). And you and other have gone on a fair bit about how great Kulemin is. You know he also has yet to hit 60 points yet, right?
Kulemin is a much more rounded player than Grabo is, he is better defensively, he has actually scored 30 goals, is younger, is a physical presence in the corners, has a tremendous work ethic, he just isn't as flashy as Grabo.
I don't know how to tell you this, but Grabo has never hit 60 pts, his career high is 58 pts. Infact he is closer to a 50 pt Center when you look at his career totals. 48, 35 in 59 games, and 51 last year if you omit his career high. So 60 is a stretch when you average out the 4 year total taking away the high and low seasons.
Moving the goalposts much? If Grabovski made plays like that all the time, he would be the best player in the league. That was an incredible display of skating, stickhandling at top speed, and playmaking vision. Nobody pulls those off all the time. But Grabovski makes a few higher end plays every year.
3 plays from 3 years. Great job, Sherlock. I could probably find 3 clips from Brown, Boyce or Crabb scoring nifty goals in 3 years span, but that wouldn't make them elite snipers.
Kulemin is a much more rounded player than Grabo is, he is better defensively, he has actually scored 30 goals, is younger, is a physical presence in the corners, has a tremendous work ethic, he just isn't as flashy as Grabo.
I don't know how to tell you this, but Grabo has never hit 60 pts, his career high is 58 pts. Infact he is closer to a 50 pt Center when you look at his career totals. 48, 35 in 59 games, and 51 last year if you omit his career high. So 60 is a stretch when you average out the 4 year total taking away the high and low seasons.
You keep going on about this, almost as if i'd actually said Grabovski is a 60 point center. Why is that?
When you take out the high and the low seasons, Kulemin is a 15 goal scorer. So uh...what point are you trying and failing to make here? Even if you include Kulemin's career year, he is a 15 goal, 35 point offensive player.
Moving the goalposts much? If Grabovski made plays like that all the time, he would be the best player in the league. That was an incredible display of skating, stickhandling at top speed, and playmaking vision. Nobody pulls those off all the time. But Grabovski makes a few higher end plays every year.
That was Markov he dangled by the way, not some nobody.
Here's the same pass he gave to Kulemin minus the nifty dangles:
When you watch the slow-mo, you realize this wasnt just a lucky mistake, it was pure skill:
edit: wait...you're the guy who thinks Grabovski is a perimeter player why am I wasting my time?
Watching highlight videos from the 93 Leafs to watching these highlights of the Grabo era? I think I am going to cry, this is what it has come to.
3 plays from 3 years. Great job, Sherlock. I could probably find 3 clips from Brown, Boyce or Crabb scoring nifty goals in 3 years span, but that wouldn't make them elite snipers.
I know right? It's so sad, because aside from those youtube clips there's absolutely no evidence that Grabovski is a good playmaker. It just hurts so much to admit. His assists are pretty much all secondary. From like, inside his own blue line. And accidental.
No arguing with those hard facts. Clearly, you feel like he's our version of pre-concussion Crosby.
Nope, just clearly better than Bozak. You seem to have a meaningless non-answer to everything. Tell me, how many people who watch the Leafs play do you actually think agree with you? That Bozak is a better center than Grabovski? Do you have any idea how lopsided that poll would be? And let me tell you something...it's not because you see something we don't.
You keep going on about this, almost as if i'd actually said Grabovski is a 60 point center. Why is that?
When you take out the high and the low seasons, Kulemin is a 15 goal scorer. So uh...what point are you trying and failing to make here? Even if you include Kulemin's career year, he is a 15 goal, 35 point offensive player.
Who's talking about Kule? Not I. It's you trying to change the subject.
Grabo is closer to a 50 pt center when you take away his one high season. He has averaged closer to 50 points than 60, 3 of his 4 seasons here. Don't pretend to ignore this. Is this not true? So no one is denigrating Grabo by calling him a 58 pt Center.
why am I wasting my time?
