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Is Shea Weber a top 5 player?

View Poll Results: Is Shea Weber a top 5 player?
Yes 67 40.36%
No 55 33.13%
He's top 10-20 44 26.51%
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10-12-2012, 01:01 AM
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In no order I have at least the following before Weber. So no.

Crosby
Chara
Malkin
Suter
Stamkos

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10-12-2012, 01:10 AM
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I'd say he's a top 10 player (I voted wrong though). It all depends on how you rank forwards, goalies and defensemen.

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In no order I have at least the following before Weber. So no.

Crosby
Chara
Malkin
Suter
Stamkos
What?


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10-12-2012, 01:33 AM
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What?
"In no order I have at least the following before Weber."

That means I think Ryan Suter is better then Shea Weber. Not the popular opinion around here, I know.

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10-12-2012, 02:21 AM
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10-12-2012, 07:22 AM
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I straight up don't get the argument for Weber over Chara (I'm not talking about age/value, I'm talking about how good they are right now).
Anyone?

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10-12-2012, 07:26 AM
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God, Weber is so overrated.

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10-12-2012, 08:15 AM
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God, Weber is so overrated.
At least not as much as Karlsson.


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10-12-2012, 09:05 AM
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Best defenseman in the league, so yeah

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10-12-2012, 09:45 AM
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God, Weber is so overrated.
I'd like to see how he does without Suter this/next year. I think it will awaken a lot of people to how overrated his defense is. Chara hands down is still the top d-man imo, with honorable mention/arguably Karlsson if you weight offense high.

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10-12-2012, 09:48 AM
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I'd like to see how he does without Suter this/next year. I think it will awaken a lot of people to how overrated his defense is. Chara hands down is still the top d-man imo, with honorable mention/arguably Karlsson if you weight offense high.
I think Doughty will change people's minds again after the next full season, but I'm very high on Chara.

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At least not as much as Karlsson.
Let's be honest though, is anyone as overrated as the 22 year old Norris winner who put up a point per game as a defenseman?

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crosby, malkin, stamkos
giroux, lundqvist, quick
datsyuk, weber, toews, kovalchuk, ovechkin, chara, karlsson, rinne

not quite but he's certainly close


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10-12-2012, 10:35 AM
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In my mind the 5 most valuable players in the NHL right now are:

1) Jonathan Quick (if he ever gets injured and loses even a little mobility he will plummet.)
2) Sidney Crosby
3) Evgeni Malkin
4) Shea Weber
5) Henrik Sedin

The only players more valuable than the NHL's best defenseman are an amazing goaltender and two amazing centres.

If Stamkos is able to adapt into more of a play maker when it becomes even harder for him to find open ice, he'll move into the top 5. I don't necessarily doubt that he can do it, I just haven't seen it yet.

Lundqvist is in the top 10 but he is far less athletic than Quick and more dependent on his teammates to keep shots to the perimeter. I realize that the Kings are very good at keeping shots to the perimeter too, it's just that when something does get through I have a lot more confidence in Quick getting in front of it than I do in Lundqvist.

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10-12-2012, 11:07 AM
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"In no order I have at least the following before Weber."

That means I think Ryan Suter is better then Shea Weber. Not the popular opinion around here, I know.
You're entitled to your opinion, but coming from someone who has watched them both since they were drafted I'm saying you're wrong.

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10-12-2012, 11:09 AM
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In my mind the 5 most valuable players in the NHL right now are:

1) Jonathan Quick (if he ever gets injured and loses even a little mobility he will plummet.)
2) Sidney Crosby
3) Evgeni Malkin
4) Shea Weber
5) Henrik Sedin

The only players more valuable than the NHL's best defenseman are an amazing goaltender and two amazing centres.

If Stamkos is able to adapt into more of a play maker when it becomes even harder for him to find open ice, he'll move into the top 5. I don't necessarily doubt that he can do it, I just haven't seen it yet.

Lundqvist is in the top 10 but he is far less athletic than Quick and more dependent on his teammates to keep shots to the perimeter. I realize that the Kings are very good at keeping shots to the perimeter too, it's just that when something does get through I have a lot more confidence in Quick getting in front of it than I do in Lundqvist.
Personally, I don't think most valuable is the same thing as best in the league. In other words, MVPs are not the same as top 5 players.

Also, I tend to rate Rinne as more valuable to the Preds than Weber. Doesn't mean you're wrong, but it's what I think.

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10-12-2012, 11:13 AM
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Personally, I don't think most valuable is the same thing as best in the league. In other words, MVPs are not the same as top 5 players.

Also, I tend to rate Rinne as more valuable to the Preds than Weber. Doesn't mean you're wrong, but it's what I think.
Yeah I guess it depends on your definition. To me: best = has the most positive impact on any given game. From 2006-2007 I think Chris Pronger (as much as I despise him) was the best player in the NHL because he turned decent-good teams into Stanley Cup finalists.

I like Rinne a lot but it's hard to watch any of his KHL games and not conclude that Rinne needs Weber (and the rest of the Preds excellent team defense) more than Weber needs Rinne.

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Yeah I guess it depends on your definition to me best = has the most positive impact on any given game.

I like Rinne a lot but it's hard to watch any of his KHL games and not conclude that Rinne needs Weber (and the rest of the Preds excellent team defense) more than Weber needs Rinne.
I think last year proved that Rinne is more valuable than the so-called excellent Preds defense. Suter looked terrible most of the season. The roster was loaded with rookies, so team defense (which was overblown to begin with) wasn't so great, and the blueline struggled. Rinne still put up good numbers, and was nominated for a Vezina

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10-12-2012, 11:28 AM
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Classic HF what have you done for me lately attitude.
Yeah, because Quick didn't make the US Olympic team and backstop the Kings first playoff berth since 2002 two seasons ago, post better numbers than Lundqvist in 2011 and have arguably the best goaltending season of the year in 2012 (his games played over Lundqvist is very impressive) and easily the best if you include playoffs.

What a one-year wonder...

As for the question of the thread I'm honestly not sure. I'm not super high on Stamkos until he goes off in the playoffs (only a matter of time, I know, but still, I don't like to project), so maybe he gets in that #5 spot. It's a contested race for sure.


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10-12-2012, 01:38 PM
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Yeah, because Quick didn't make the US Olympic team and backstop the Kings first playoff berth since 2002 two seasons ago, post better numbers than Lundqvist in 2011 and have arguably the best goaltending season of the year in 2012 (his games played over Lundqvist is very impressive) and easily the best if you include playoffs.

What a one-year wonder...
I'm not saying Quick wasn't good until this year, I'm only saying that Ovechkin and Sedin have been consistently better than him until now, and one year isn't enough to change my mind.

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10-12-2012, 01:53 PM
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You're entitled to your opinion, but coming from someone who has watched them both since they were drafted I'm saying you're wrong.
Frankly, I think Suter's superior defensive play slightly outweighs Weber's superior offense.

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Frankly, I think Suter's superior defensive play slightly outweighs Weber's superior offense.
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Frankly, I think Suter's superior defensive play slightly outweighs Weber's superior offense.
He isn't that superior defensively, though. He is slightly better. He isn't significantly better. People seem to think otherwise, but it's wrong.

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It's gonna be very interesting to see how each of Suter and Weber does on their own.

We're going to learn a lot about these two this year.....and it's hard to see how either of them will be able to look quite as good without the other.

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Top 5 player.No way
Top 5 D-man sure.
This.

Was looking forward to seeing how he'd do without Suter. Thanks lockout...

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It's too tough to compare forwards, dmen and goalies, they have such different impacts.

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