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11-12-2012, 12:50 AM
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And? I put in my posts before a "B". Big deal.

I'm still right and charliolemieux thought that Crabb was still a leaf. Read post 749. It states it clearly there.

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And? I put in my posts before a "B". Big deal.

I'm still right and charliolemieux thought that Crabb was still a leaf. Read post 749. It states it clearly there.

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Actually I was looking at the 2011-12 roster when I first mentioned Crabb. Page 127 of The Hockey News 2012-13 Ultimate Fantasy Pool Guide.

Is that good enough for you.

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Actually I was looking at the 2011-12 roster when I first mentioned Crabb. Page 127 of The Hockey News 2012-13 Ultimate Fantasy Pool Guide.

Is that good enough for you.
You can site all the sites you want. You clearly posted Crabb on post 749, is that good enough for you? Ever hear of admitting you made a mistake? YOU did, we both know it, and it is written. No big deal though, Don't be mad that I called you out on it. Back on topic.

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Actually I was looking at the 2011-12 roster when I first mentioned Crabb. Page 127 of The Hockey News 2012-13 Ultimate Fantasy Pool Guide.

Is that good enough for you.
Sorry I cannot edit, otherwise I would post this in one of mine below.

I listed 3 questions and you answered them in order.

On my second question I said this exactly:

2. Again, who do you take of the Leaf team to "Hand out" a position to Kadri?

You answered:

2. Connolly, Lombardi, Crabb to start with.

We were clearly talking in the present sense.

PS. I said "OF" instead of "OFF", sorry my bad. See? Thats how it works, a mistake is made, then you admit to it.

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You can site all the sites you want. You clearly posted Crabb on post 749, is that good enough for you? Ever hear of admitting you made a mistake? YOU did, we both know it, and it is written. No big deal though, Don't be mad that I called you out on it. Back on topic.

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When I CITE something I generally look it up. Learned that in Law class.

Yes I posted Crabb. He was part of the 2011-12 team.

How can I realistically post about Kadri not getting playing time on a team that has yet to have a practice?

Don't worry I'm not mad. I am a bit concerned about you after the last page though.

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11-12-2012, 01:17 AM
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And, furthermore, to show that you were in fact, speaking in the present tense, I will show what you said when you answered my first question.

I said this exact post;

1, did I bench Kadri tonight or did one of the best minor coaches in the world bench Kadri?

And you replied:

1. There is no argument that his play this year is subpar.

So there you have it. No denying it. Just defending myself with the facts that you were wrong.

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When I CITE something I generally look it up. Learned that in Law class.

Yes I posted Crabb. He was part of the 2011-12 team.

How can I realistically post about Kadri not getting playing time on a team that has yet to have a practice?

Don't worry I'm not mad. I am a bit concerned about you after the last page though.
Just to show you no hard feelings....the next beer is on you.

By the way, I noticed you corrected my misspelled word "Cite". I cannont edit my posts so when I hit submit, it has to stay that way until my infractions are cleared up.

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When I CITE something I generally look it up. Learned that in Law class.

Yes I posted Crabb. He was part of the 2011-12 team.

How can I realistically post about Kadri not getting playing time on a team that has yet to have a practice?

Don't worry I'm not mad. I am a bit concerned about you after the last page though.
What has that got to do with anything friend? You are just deflecting so people don't actually see the mistake you made.

I simply asked who would you take off the leaf team to give Kadri a shot and one of your answers was clearly Crabb. Could it be that you just did not see that he signed with Washington? Its no big deal if that is the case, but please stop trying to spin. The more you do it, the worse you look.

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And, furthermore, to show that you were in fact, speaking in the present tense, I will show what you said when you answered my first question.

I said this exact post;

1, did I bench Kadri tonight or did one of the best minor coaches in the world bench Kadri?

And you replied:

1. There is no argument that his play this year is subpar.

So there you have it. No denying it. Just defending myself with the facts that you were wrong.
What am I supposed to say?

Ya Eakins benched Kadri tonight because of the stupid play he made last January?

YOu are missing the point here.

It is impossible to say who Kadri should be getting playing time over this year because there has been no pre-season. We don't know if he would be on the team or not.

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Just to show you no hard feelings....the next beer is on you.

By the way, I noticed you corrected my misspelled word "Cite". I cannont edit my posts so when I hit submit, it has to stay that way until my infractions are cleared up.
Haha I'm in the same boat.

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What has that got to do with anything friend? You are just deflecting so people don't actually see the mistake you made.

I simply asked who would you take off the leaf team to give Kadri a shot and one of your answers was clearly Crabb. Could it be that you just did not see that he signed with Washington? Its no big deal if that is the case, but please stop trying to spin. The more you do it, the worse you look.
Honestly, when I wrote that I was looking at the 2011-12 roster.

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What am I supposed to say?

Ya Eakins benched Kadri tonight because of the stupid play he made last January?

YOu are missing the point here.

It is impossible to say who Kadri should be getting playing time over this year because there has been no pre-season. We don't know if he would be on the team or not.



Ok, something we can agree on.

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11-12-2012, 01:33 AM
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Haha I'm in the same boat.



Honestly, when I wrote that I was looking at the 2011-12 roster.


Thats fine, but you answered wrongly. As a law student, you should know that any defence or prosecuting attorney would have picked you apart for making a very basic mistake like that.

As for the topic, it will be fun to see if Kadri can pull it out consistently or not. The fact he had to be sat, speaks volumes about his attitude. The fact he came back and got 3 points makes you ask why he was not playing as hard before he sat?

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I know I said Kadri was a bust so far, but man, do I ever want to be proven wrong. I don't want the pick on him to be wasted. I want his value up incase BB wants to make a trade for a tender of 1A center.

Having a prospect not living up to the billing is never a good thing.

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11-12-2012, 06:55 AM
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I know I said Kadri was a bust so far, but man, do I ever want to be proven wrong. I don't want the pick on him to be wasted. I want his value up incase BB wants to make a trade for a tender of 1A center.

Having a prospect not living up to the billing is never a good thing.
That's where you differ from some posters, who gleefully post everytime he has a bad game, rip on his effort level almost all the time. It's like they actually want Kadri to bust.

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That's where you differ from some posters, who gleefully post everytime he has a bad game, rip on his effort level almost all the time. It's like they actually want Kadri to bust.
Yea, I want him to succeed. It can only better the team.

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I know I said Kadri was a bust so far, but man, do I ever want to be proven wrong. I don't want the pick on him to be wasted. I want his value up incase BB wants to make a trade for a tender of 1A center.

Having a prospect not living up to the billing is never a good thing.
We considered Schenn a bust, Philly considered JVR a bust but were they busts or victim of where and how they were played? The same could be said about Kadri. Does he thrive better in the NHL? Did his treatment by Wilson cause developmental delays? Carlyle wanted him up so we will have to see.

As a side note some of the best stretch last year was when the kids were up filling roster players spots.

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He could have been with Frattin or Kulemin on the 3rd line. People tend to forget that Connolly does have skill.
What would be have been wrong with a Kadri Connolly Frattin 3rd line?
Very little puck recovery ability, as none of those players are particularly strong along the boards, which would result in less sustained pressure in the offensive zone, and potentially more time pinned in the defensive zone due to lost puck battles along the boards. Very little net presence, with Kadri being the best at that on his line. There are also two playmakers on the line, with a very questionable finisher. Frattin's shown some finishing flashes in other leagues, but when it comes to the NHL, he a lot of room for improvements.

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I think he needs competent competition more than he needs competent linemates.
Maybe. Competent competition, more often than not, comes when playing with competent linemates.

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Let him play against other 2nd and 3rd liners in the NHL, who are going to make him improve more than playing against carreer AHLers.

Kadri could have been a good pest. And why the heck are we giving up spots to unskilled players who are not ELITE PKers, or Defensive Specialists?

LIke I said a few pages ago. Tell the kid to go out and hit everything that moves and see what happens. Just be the pest that he is and not worry about scoring so much.

I think he would excel in that role and draw a lot of penalties. The offense will come as he adapts to the NHL.
Offense is the biggest tool Kadri has in his arsenal. We shouldn't try to convert him to a crasher and banger just to find icetime for him in the lineup. Crabb is not the one he should be competing against for icetime, much like Reimer shouldn't be the one he should compete against, either. Drastic example, maybe, but they play different roles.

He needs to be given a vote of confidence and be placed with quality players for a good stretch of the season, regardless of how he does game-by-game. Much like did Frattin not get demoted to the minors after not being able to score to save his life for 20 games. Instead, Wilson actually put him on the line with Grabo to close out the season. Get Kadri on the line with JVR and see how it turns out by the end of that period.

WRT Crabb as our PKer: At that point in the season, Wilson had very little idea who the good PKers were. A lot of players had a crack at it, with different linemates in order to try to get our PK out of the gutter. Crabb ended up being one of the players who managed to stick with that role.

Coincidentally, when we stopped using the likes of Grabovski, and Dupuis on the PK, in favor of Connolly and Crabb, our PK started improving. No doubt there was a system change during that time frame, as well, but the personnel change definitely had an effect.


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We considered Schenn a bust, Philly considered JVR a bust but were they busts or victim of where and how they were played? The same could be said about Kadri. Does he thrive better in the NHL? Did his treatment by Wilson cause developmental delays? Carlyle wanted him up so we will have to see.

As a side note some of the best stretch last year was when the kids were up filling roster players spots.
The more relevant question in regards to the swap, is will Philly's system help Schenn's defensive game any more than Wilson's system did? Will the situation in TO give JVR a chance to show his stuff offensively, when compared to his time in Philly?

Kadri will, without a doubt, benefit from the coaching change. Not only will he not have the unwarranted hate directed at him from the coach, but Carlyle's a lot more vocal about what he wants from his players. This should help all our prospects tremendously, including Kadri.

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We considered Schenn a bust, Philly considered JVR a bust but were they busts or victim of where and how they were played? The same could be said about Kadri. Does he thrive better in the NHL? Did his treatment by Wilson cause developmental delays? Carlyle wanted him up so we will have to see.

As a side note some of the best stretch last year was when the kids were up filling roster players spots.
That was definetly an issue for sure. Worst coach in history.

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Very little puck recovery ability, as none of those players are particularly strong along the boards, which would result in less sustained pressure in the offensive zone, and potentially more time pinned in the defensive zone due to lost puck battles along the boards. Very little net presence, with Kadri being the best at that on his line. There are also two playmakers on the line, with a very questionable finisher. Frattin's shown some finishing flashes in other leagues, but when it comes to the NHL, he a lot of room for improvements.
I think they would have done just fine against the other teams 3rd line.

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Maybe. Competent competition, more often than not, comes when playing with competent linemates.
I have always believed that to become better you have to play against people who are as good or better than than you.




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Offense is the biggest tool Kadri has in his arsenal. We shouldn't try to convert him to a crasher and banger just to find icetime for him in the lineup. Crabb is not the one he should be competing against for icetime, much like Reimer shouldn't be the one he should compete against, either. Drastic example, maybe, but they play different roles.

He needs to be given a vote of confidence and be placed with quality players for a good stretch of the season, regardless of how he does game-by-game. Much like did Frattin not get demoted to the minors after not being able to score to save his life for 20 games. Instead, Wilson actually put him on the line with Grabo to close out the season. Get Kadri on the line with JVR and see how it turns out by the end of that period.
I think the best thing for him is to get his mind off the idea of offense. He has too much pressure in that regard. If you tell him to go out and be a pest, I think the offense will just naturally come.

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WRT Crabb as our PKer: At that point in the season, Wilson had very little idea who the good PKers were. A lot of players had a crack at it, with different linemates in order to try to get our PK out of the gutter. Crabb ended up being one of the players who managed to stick with that role.

Coincidentally, when we stopped using the likes of Grabovski, and Dupuis on the PK, in favor of Connolly and Crabb, our PK started improving. No doubt there was a system change during that time frame, as well, but the personnel change definitely had an effect.
So Crabb was just one of the better ones out of a bad bunch. He was still not a PK specialist by any means.

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I think they would have done just fine against the other teams 3rd line.


I have always believed that to become better you have to play against people who are as good or better than than you.




I think the best thing for him is to get his mind off the idea of offense. He has too much pressure in that regard. If you tell him to go out and be a pest, I think the offense will just naturally come.



So Crabb was just one of the better ones out of a bad bunch. He was still not a PK specialist by any means.
Who are you and what have you done with charliolemieux? What happened to the no sense guy I have been arguing with for the last 4 days.!!

This whole post makes sense and I agree.

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For those of you who are laughing at me, please read first. I asked who on the Leafs he would replace Kadri with. He stated Connolly, Lombardi, Crabb to start with.

He was the one who said he would replace Crabb with Kadri. I simply informed him that Crabb no longer plays for the leafs.
The more reason for Kadri to possibly replace him.

Think about it before having a knee-jerk reaction.

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The more reason for Kadri to possibly replace him.

Think about it before having a knee-jerk reaction.
haha Good one.

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This thread is almost as terrible as Kadri's stat-line so far this year

Tied for sixth in point on the Marlies....STUD!

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This thread is almost as terrible as Kadri's stat-line so far this year

Tied for sixth in point on the Marlies....STUD!
Could be worse.....like it was 3 days ago.

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