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10-16-2012, 09:44 AM
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If he's selfish why did he pass to Gardiner when Gardiner scored that goal?
That's not the selfishness I'm referring to. He's selfish with his unwillingness to accept contact to make a play for his teammates. He avoids contact unless he's the aggressor, and in a position of advantage. These types of plays happen dozens of times every game. In comparison, a pass (like the one to Gardiner) happens far less.

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10-16-2012, 09:59 AM
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Possibly a bit, but he's by no means a bust. I basically see him as being a 50-60 point 2nd line winger.
Which would put him in the top 30 for his position in the NHL. Yet it seems to be viewed as a negative somehow in Leafland.

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10-16-2012, 11:31 AM
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It's always better to see a player live, so I accept your account. Did you notice Kadri's avoiding contact when he has the puck? I would like to see him not be selfish in this way, and take a hit to make a play. I have noticed this with his play in all three zones, and it results in horrible turn-overs. He needs to be tougher in this part of his game.
I won't comment because it's not something I noticed, one way or another, but I noticed his turnovers were results of high(er) risk plays. To be honest, I see alot of Danny Briere in Nazem Kadri. He seems like a guy who'll really thrive on the PP because A) his creativity and B) his ability to find open ice or slot himself nicely into a passing lane. I did a quick check of Briere's stats and noticed he scored more than 20 Even Strength goals only twice in his career

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Briere, Ribeiro, Connolly are all interesting comps for Kadri.

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10-16-2012, 01:43 PM
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Briere, Ribeiro, Connolly are all interesting comps for Kadri.
personally i see him as a less douchey ribeiro. although he seems to elevate his game in the playoffs like briere. i dont see the connolly comparison though. i never found connolly overly dynamic. kadri has nifty mittins. he just needs to get his **** together but i think once he does he is going to be as dynamic as kessel is. he has an under rated shot and his hands are better imo then kessel. im not saying he will be as good but the kid is money in the bank in the shoot out

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Trading Kadri would be a huge mistake. In my humble opinion. Trade MacArthur. Kadri's ceiling is much higher and let's be realistic, let's say we deal Mac and Kadri still busts even when given Mac's minutes...will it really affect the franchise THAT much? Give the kid a chance. Play the kid. Don't just play "the kids"...Play THAT kid.

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10-16-2012, 02:15 PM
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Trading Kadri would be a huge mistake. In my humble opinion. Trade MacArthur. Kadri's ceiling is much higher and let's be realistic, let's say we deal Mac and Kadri still busts even when given Mac's minutes...will it really affect the franchise THAT much? Give the kid a chance. Play the kid. Don't just play "the kids"...Play THAT kid.
It`s true, with Kadri coming up it would be smart to just package MacArthur + depth for an upgrade up-front or a legit third liner. Leafs`Management has not figured out that you have to let players succeed with there strengths. Kadri needs top 6 minutes plain and simple. He`s never going to learn the NHL style game without giving him every opportunity to succeed. Bringing him up just to play with Lombardi/Crabb teaches him nothing. We do not have a strong top 6 to begin with, so why not try to actually develop a young player by playing him in the top 6?

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It`s true, with Kadri coming up it would be smart to just package MacArthur + depth for an upgrade up-front or a legit third liner. Leafs`Management has not figured out that you have to let players succeed with there strengths. Kadri needs top 6 minutes plain and simple. He`s never going to learn the NHL style game without giving him every opportunity to succeed. Bringing him up just to play with Lombardi/Crabb teaches him nothing. We do not have a strong top 6 to begin with, so why not try to actually develop a young player by playing him in the top 6?
This........Can't stand seeing any high skill player make 3-4 amazing passes and come out with no points because the guy getting the gift pass pulls a "Bozak".

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Briere, Ribeiro, Connolly are all interesting comps for Kadri.
That selection (of player quality) gets worse as you go from one to the next, so hopefully the first one is the most accurate.

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10-16-2012, 04:45 PM
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Trading Kadri would be a huge mistake. In my humble opinion. Trade MacArthur. Kadri's ceiling is much higher and let's be realistic, let's say we deal Mac and Kadri still busts even when given Mac's minutes...will it really affect the franchise THAT much? Give the kid a chance. Play the kid. Don't just play "the kids"...Play THAT kid.
Lupol-Bozak-Kessel (1st scoring)
JVR-Grabo-Kadri (2nd scoring)
Kuli-Connolly-Frattin (shut down)
Macclem-Steckel-Brown (energy/pk)
Komarov

Look at that.... a top six with two centers that can get us >45 points and quality wingers. A decent shutdown line, and a fourth line with some energy and PK specialists.

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10-16-2012, 05:18 PM
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I won't comment because it's not something I noticed, one way or another, but I noticed his turnovers were results of high(er) risk plays. To be honest, I see alot of Danny Briere in Nazem Kadri. He seems like a guy who'll really thrive on the PP because A) his creativity and B) his ability to find open ice or slot himself nicely into a passing lane. I did a quick check of Briere's stats and noticed he scored more than 20 Even Strength goals only twice in his career
Thank you for the update on Kadri. If he can develop a bite to his game, like Briere, that would be a real step forward. I hope it's in his nature to play that way.

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Lupol-Bozak-Kessel (1st scoring)
JVR-Grabo-Kadri (2nd scoring)
Kuli-Connolly-Frattin (shut down)
Macclem-Steckel-Brown (energy/pk)
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Look at that.... a top six with two centers that can get us >45 points and quality wingers. A decent shutdown line, and a fourth line with some energy and PK specialists.
The two quality C are Grabs and Connolly right?

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Lupol-Bozak-Kessel (1st scoring)
JVR-Grabo-Kadri (2nd scoring)
Kuli-Connolly-Frattin (shut down)
Macclem-Steckel-Brown (energy/pk)
Komarov

Look at that.... a top six with two centers that can get us >45 points and quality wingers. A decent shutdown line, and a fourth line with some energy and PK specialists.
put mcclement in place of connolly, then you have a fullout shutdown line.

Put connolly on the wing while Frattin is injured.

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10-16-2012, 05:26 PM
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Lupol-Bozak-Kessel (1st scoring)
JVR-Grabo-Kadri (2nd scoring)
Kuli-Connolly-Frattin (shut down)
Macclem-Steckel-Brown (energy/pk)
Komarov

Look at that.... a top six with two centers that can get us >45 points and quality wingers. A decent shutdown line, and a fourth line with some energy and PK specialists.
Down the road, I want to see a top 6 of

Lupul-kadri-kessel
Frattin-grabo-Jvr

There's a lot of competition for the top 6, but the top line I really want to see. Kadri deserves a shot there, I don't think grabo should be moved for Kadri though. Its just wrong to move frattin to the third line with a shot like his probaby won't be like this, but it would be awesome if it worked out this way with team chemistry. Image the offense

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The two quality C are Grabs and Connolly right?
I said two centers that can get us >45 points (which means greater then). Basing of last years stats, the two that got us more then that amount, are Bozak and Grabovski. So it would be Bozak and Grabovski.

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10-16-2012, 05:34 PM
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Down the road, I want to see a top 6 of

Lupul-kadri-kessel
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There's a lot of competition for the top 6, but the top line I really want to see. Kadri deserves a shot there, I don't think grabo should be moved for Kadri though. Its just wrong to move frattin to the third line with a shot like his probaby won't be like this, but it would be awesome if it worked out this way with team chemistry. Image the offense
That's fine. Who, exactly, is going to stop the puck? The Leafs, no matter how good the forwards and defense, will continue to finish out of the playoffs without a true #1 goalie.

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10-16-2012, 06:44 PM
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That's fine. Who, exactly, is going to stop the puck? The Leafs, no matter how good the forwards and defense, will continue to finish out of the playoffs without a true #1 goalie.
Just saying who I wanted to see on the top 6. Not saying that alone will get you into the playoffs. Obviously, it also depends on the defense amd the goaltending.

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10-17-2012, 09:42 AM
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Just saying who I wanted to see on the top 6. Not saying that alone will get you into the playoffs. Obviously, it also depends on the defense amd the goaltending.
Again, who plays goal? Although there has been much discussion about acquiring Luongo, perhaps Burke should offer the moon for Snieder? He's the correct age to fit in with the Leafs' younger core players.

Phaneuf out and Snieder in. Done.

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Again, who plays goal? Although there has been much discussion about acquiring Luongo, perhaps Burke should offer the moon for Snieder? He's the correct age to fit in with the Leafs' younger core players.

Phaneuf out and Snieder in. Done.
Canucks won't take Phaneuf for Schneider. You'd be looking more at prospects and maybe some one like Kulemin. Too much for Schneider.

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again, that's amazingly detailed scouting. you must be watching him with great intensity.
Nope, just requires a little thinking.

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Canucks won't take Phaneuf for Schneider. You'd be looking more at prospects and maybe some one like Kulemin. Too much for Schneider.
You don't think Phaneuf (bonafide #1 defenseman) is too much for Schneider, but you think Kulemin plus a prospect or two is?

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You don't think Phaneuf (bonafide #1 defenseman) is too much for Schneider, but you think Kulemin plus a prospect or two is?
No I'm saying they won't take Phaneuf's contract. That is too much for the Canucks. And I'm saying Phaneuf is too much for Schneider and that something like Kulemin and prospects are the deal we'd be looking at? I'm not sure what the Canucks need.

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No I'm saying they won't take Phaneuf's contract. That is too much for the Canucks. And I'm saying Phaneuf is too much for Schneider and that something like Kulemin and prospects are the deal we'd be looking at? I'm not sure what the Canucks need.
The Canucks need Schneider

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So Kadri is blistering the AHL with 1 assist in 3 games, 0 goals on 11 shots. Any thoughts on how Kadri has done so far in what is very clearly an important season for him? Admittedly I haven't seen any of the games yet, so I'm not sure which linemates will be blamed for his poor performance by his fans but 1 assist in 3 games isn't exactly awe inspiring, or even call up worthy should the season begin eventually. Can somebody who has seen him play this season give me any kind reasonable explanation for his crummy performance?

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