HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Prospects
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Prospects Discuss hockey prospects from all over the world and the NHL Draft.

C Frederik Gauthier - Rimouski Oceanic, QMJHL (2013, 21st overall, Toronto)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-14-2013, 08:02 AM
  #51
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MXD View Post
Switch Pouliot to Bergeron, and you start to make sense.
Bergeron wasn't first round pick...going to be odd exception. But you draft on exceptions...you'll be burnt

Mats86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2013, 08:05 AM
  #52
MXD
Registered User
 
MXD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 20,833
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
Bergeron wasn't first round pick...going to be odd exception. But you draft on exceptions...you'll be burnt
But style-wise, you're much closer. Besides, they came from the same league. And had similar stats. And were both in their rookie year.

MXD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2013, 08:20 AM
  #53
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MXD View Post
But style-wise, you're much closer. Besides, they came from the same league. And had similar stats. And were both in their rookie year.
Bergeron was a fluke draftee, slipped by every team some teams twice. Flukes will happen...like Gallagher 5th round..better than our first round pick that year. But you can't say therefore 5th round picks are better than 1st round picks. Drafts gotta be averaged out over large term or chances you will waste a pick.

I think Habs will take Gauthier if they draft 20th+, but not if they miss the playoffs. Unless he turns it up a notch in playoffs and U18 tourny.

Mats86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2013, 08:56 AM
  #54
Zeroknowledge*
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Facing a PC
Posts: 1,644
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
Bergeron was a fluke draftee, slipped by every team some teams twice. Flukes will happen...like Gallagher 5th round..better than our first round pick that year. But you can't say therefore 5th round picks are better than 1st round picks. Drafts gotta be averaged out over large term or chances you will waste a pick.

I think Habs will take Gauthier if they draft 20th+, but not if they miss the playoffs. Unless he turns it up a notch in playoffs and U18 tourny.
I wouldn't necessarily call Gallagher a better pick/player than Tinordi. Now if he was a 2009 than yes would have been a better pick than our first.

Zeroknowledge* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2013, 10:32 AM
  #55
Kevin Forbes
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,170
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
If he never had great size and defense Gauthier would be non-draft to me.
Wow. Really?

__________________
Twitter / Blog / About.me
Kevin Forbes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-14-2013, 10:54 AM
  #56
seafoam
Registered User
 
seafoam's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 35,070
vCash: 50
For someone who watches him regularly, would Martin Hanzal be a good comparison?

seafoam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2013, 11:18 AM
  #57
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeroknowledge View Post
I wouldn't necessarily call Gallagher a better pick/player than Tinordi. Now if he was a 2009 than yes would have been a better pick than our first.
Taking a French Canadian in '09 just because he is a french Canadian was mistake we made back then. Going to be no more Louis Leblanc. Probably reason why Gauthier so overhyped on Habs board though

Mats86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2013, 12:14 PM
  #58
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Poked the bear!!!!!
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 33,261
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
Taking a French Canadian in '09 just because he is a french Canadian was mistake we made back then. Going to be no more Louis Leblanc. Probably reason why Gauthier so overhyped on Habs board though
It's alarming that people still actually think this is true.

Gotta love the irony the Habs organization is doomed to. If you don't draft Quebecois players, you're ignoring talent in your own backyard. If you do draft them, it's because you're bypassing better talent just to cater to the locals. Both arguments have been used at varying times in equal measure. It's embarassing.

hototogisu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2013, 03:42 PM
  #59
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
It's alarming that people still actually think this is true.

Gotta love the irony the Habs organization is doomed to. If you don't draft Quebecois players, you're ignoring talent in your own backyard. If you do draft them, it's because you're bypassing better talent just to cater to the locals. Both arguments have been used at varying times in equal measure. It's embarassing.
A lot of talent was available....O'Reilly, Kreider, Erizon. Draft in Montreal that year, it was their 100th anniversary definitely played factors in Leblanc being chosen by Montreal. Leblanc was overrated...never played in higher league, headed to Harvard. No other reason for Habs choice. That's a lot of talent they by-passed for a guy who never played at high level before. Leblanc will play in NHL..but kind of like a Tom Pyatt type

Mats86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-01-2013, 02:07 PM
  #60
don
Registered User
 
don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Nashua, NH
Country: United States
Posts: 2,430
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by QMJHLfollower View Post
He's awesome. Big two-way center, very good offensively and defensively.

Will be a 1st round pick, IMO.

He's a guy I very hope the Leafs can draft him.
The rest of you lay off. He is my 1st rounder for THE BRUINS.

don is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-01-2013, 02:23 PM
  #61
bigdirty
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 888
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
It's alarming that people still actually think this is true.

Gotta love the irony the Habs organization is doomed to. If you don't draft Quebecois players, you're ignoring talent in your own backyard. If you do draft them, it's because you're bypassing better talent just to cater to the locals. Both arguments have been used at varying times in equal measure. It's embarassing.
People seem to have forgotten that Leblanc at #18 that year was by no means a stretch. As I remember it, Habs fans were just hoping he'd still be on the board, because he was a highly touted prospect.

bigdirty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-01-2013, 04:02 PM
  #62
bigdirty
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 888
vCash: 500
Rimouski is playing Moncton tonight on most Sportsnet channels. Moncton isn't far off Rimouski in the standings, should be a great chance to see what Gauthier can do against good competition.

bigdirty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-02-2013, 03:16 PM
  #63
Ayatollah Chowmeini
Registered User
 
Ayatollah Chowmeini's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: MTL/MKE
Country: United States
Posts: 675
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdirty View Post
People seem to have forgotten that Leblanc at #18 that year was by no means a stretch. As I remember it, Habs fans were just hoping he'd still be on the board, because he was a highly touted prospect.
Not to mention that if we had this conversation this time last year, people wouldn't be writing off Leblanc so hard. A setback's a setback. He'll recover or he won't. But that doesn't mean it wasn't an understandable pick.

Ayatollah Chowmeini is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-03-2013, 04:47 PM
  #64
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdirty View Post
Rimouski is playing Moncton tonight on most Sportsnet channels. Moncton isn't far off Rimouski in the standings, should be a great chance to see what Gauthier can do against good competition.
I think Gauthier is a waste of first round pick. Players his size don't translate well to NHL game. They underachieve...Anthropov, Veilluex, Boyle, Jessiman, Graham, Pouliot. Most I would take him is 2nd round...he would make a good 3rd line center

Mats86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-03-2013, 06:51 PM
  #65
arsmaster
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 16,729
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
I think Gauthier is a waste of first round pick. Players his size don't translate well to NHL game. They underachieve...Anthropov, Veilluex, Boyle, Jessiman, Graham, Pouliot. Most I would take him is 2nd round...he would make a good 3rd line center
Yeah. That Getzlaf guy is pretty brutal, same as that Thornton guy, and that Primeau guy too.

Horrible argument mats.

arsmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-04-2013, 02:09 AM
  #66
Franck
Insolent Upstart
 
Franck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Gothenburg
Country: Sweden
Posts: 7,906
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by arsmaster View Post
Yeah. That Getzlaf guy is pretty brutal, same as that Thornton guy, and that Primeau guy too.

Horrible argument mats.
Some guys named Lemieux, Lindros and Sundin should also be familiar. They totally sucked.

I've never seen Gauthier play, but to dismiss his NHL potential just because of his size is absolutely ridiculous.

Franck is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-04-2013, 03:33 AM
  #67
hab 4ever
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Montréal, Québec
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,787
vCash: 500
Here is what Craig Button answered to a question about Frederik Gauthier in his Feb. 4 chat: " Craig Button: Thank you Constantine. I would compare Frederick to Keith Primeau. He's big and strong and he imposes himself on opponents and makes it very difficult to play versus him. He can control the game from a defensive point of view and has good offensive skills. These types of players are not common and Frederick's ability to play a strong two-way game makes him a very interesting prospect. It would not surprise me one bit to see him selected in the top 10, perhaps even at the edge of the top 5."

hab 4ever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-04-2013, 04:13 AM
  #68
No Team Needed
Registered User
 
No Team Needed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: essex
Posts: 3,232
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
A lot of talent was available....O'Reilly, Kreider, Erizon. Draft in Montreal that year, it was their 100th anniversary definitely played factors in Leblanc being chosen by Montreal. Leblanc was overrated...never played in higher league, headed to Harvard. No other reason for Habs choice. That's a lot of talent they by-passed for a guy who never played at high level before. Leblanc will play in NHL..but kind of like a Tom Pyatt type
Nobody in the five picks after him really have done more than Leblanc. All have had a few games with some slumps in the NHL due to youth inconsistency. Leblanc was the 12th ranked North American skater. There were a lot of French Canadian analysts who didn't want Montreal to take Leblanc because he skipped the Q for the USHL. Many wanted Montreal to take Jordan Caron. Caron is hardly looking any better. It's way to early to throw the book on any of these players.

No Team Needed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-04-2013, 12:50 PM
  #69
bigdirty
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 888
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
I think Gauthier is a waste of first round pick. Players his size don't translate well to NHL game. They underachieve...Anthropov, Veilluex, Boyle, Jessiman, Graham, Pouliot. Most I would take him is 2nd round...he would make a good 3rd line center
It may be rare, but that's no reason not to draft him, if the team has done their homework and likes what they see.
Most players of that size who don't translate well to the NHL because their skating is sub-par, or because size was the only thing they really had going for them.
Gauthier is a very good skater, and not just for a big guy. Agility still needs some work, but he is light years ahead of a guy like Antropov. He's also a very intelligent player, his great size is really a bonus, not the heart of his game.

bigdirty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-04-2013, 03:15 PM
  #70
Brody
$$
 
Brody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Paris
Posts: 7,512
vCash: 560
His name is spelled wrong, its Frederik.

Brody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 07:23 PM
  #71
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeC View Post
Hi guys!

This kid needs to have a thread on him.

Position: Centre
Shoots: Left
Height: 6'04"
Weight: 219
Birthdate: 1995-04-26

Season Team GP G A PTS +/- PIM
2012-13 Rimouski, Océanic 9 8 7 15 13 6

A rookie this year in the Q. I talked to a few persons from Rimouski and they say that he is a mix between Ryan O'Reilly and Sean Couturier.
What is going on with this guy? Started year with 15 points in first 9 games, 1.67 ppg. In last 15 games he scored 7 points, .50 ppg. His scoring has fallen way off, he's under point a game average now. Which is the real Gauthier?

Mats86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 08:10 PM
  #72
WildcatMapleLeafs28
Registered User
 
WildcatMapleLeafs28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Atlantic Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,959
vCash: 500
Gauthier was nominated for the QMJHL's Guy Carbonneau Trophy

Guy-Carbonneau Trophy - Best defensive forward
Phillip Danault - Moncton Wildcats
Frédérik Gauthier - Rimouski Océanic
Félix Girard - Baie-Comeau Drakkar

Pretty decent for a 17 year old. Congrats to Frederik,the nomination deserves alot of credit. I think Danault will take this one home though..

WildcatMapleLeafs28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 08:12 PM
  #73
WildcatMapleLeafs28
Registered User
 
WildcatMapleLeafs28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Atlantic Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,959
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats86 View Post
What is going on with this guy? Started year with 15 points in first 9 games, 1.67 ppg. In last 15 games he scored 7 points, .50 ppg. His scoring has fallen way off, he's under point a game average now. Which is the real Gauthier?
The team has been in a huge slump as of late. Might be due to the fact it's amongst the league's youngest teams. They only have 2 wins in their last 10 games..

WildcatMapleLeafs28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 08:39 PM
  #74
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 View Post
The team has been in a huge slump as of late. Might be due to the fact it's amongst the league's youngest teams. They only have 2 wins in their last 10 games..
If he continues to slide and has a poor playoffs could Gauthier slip into the second round?

Mats86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 08:41 PM
  #75
Mats86
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 View Post
Gauthier was nominated for the QMJHL's Guy Carbonneau Trophy

Guy-Carbonneau Trophy - Best defensive forward
Phillip Danault - Moncton Wildcats
Frédérik Gauthier - Rimouski Océanic
Félix Girard - Baie-Comeau Drakkar

Pretty decent for a 17 year old. Congrats to Frederik,the nomination deserves alot of credit. I think Danault will take this one home though..
That's not saying much though...for NHL career. Look at past winners?


2010-11

Phillip Danault

Victoriaville Tigres



2009-10

Gabriel Dumont

Drummondville Voltigeurs



2008–09

Jean-Philip Chabot

Gatineau Olympiques



2007–08

Olivier Fortier

Rimouski Océanic



2006–07

Marc-Andre Cliche

Lewiston MAINEiacs



2005–06

David Brine

Halifax Mooseheads



2004–05

Simon Courcelles

Québec Remparts

Mats86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:40 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.