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10-15-2012, 06:33 PM
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7 years, 7.5 million per. I have no issue with that.

Unless you guys want to trade him for magical picks and one day could maybe score 30 goals.
You don't think he'll use Parise's contract as a comparison?

Not that we know what frame work there will be to work with(CBA wise), but you'd have to imagine getting his prime years 25/26-32/33 would be 8-8.5m.

Then again, Burke may come back with Gaborik's as his idea of what Kessel's pay should be.

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10-15-2012, 08:28 PM
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I say whatever it takes Burke needs to re-sign Kessel and I'm sure it's something he knows that will need to be taken care of.

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10-15-2012, 08:37 PM
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If we let him go.. Who scores goals for the Leafs?
that superduperstar Lupul. that's who!


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out of curiosity...what would get for Kessel at the trade deadline?

i just don't see us turning our franchise around until 2016.

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lol 8-8.5 for Kessel. Can't wait to be saddled with that garbage.

Leafs will not get a fair shake at this if Kessel has any kind of agent. Burke's nuts are already tied in knots, he HAS to resign him.

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10-15-2012, 09:20 PM
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Burke won't do a deal longer than 5yrs.

So to sign a player like Kessel from 26-31yrs old it is going to take 7.5-8.5M per season.

7.5, 8, 8, 8, 8.5

Thats 40M over 5 years and gives him another 8 or 9yrs to make up what Parise got in his long term deal.

I would love to have him at around 7M but if he stays in the top 5 in goals and top 10 in pts he is going to demand a similar range in salary.

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It's always a lose-lose when you extend your most dynamic, highly-skilled forward.

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out of curiosity...what would get for Kessel at the trade deadline?

i just don't see us turning our franchise around until 2016.
4 more years?

I think we're a hot goalie tandem away from the playoffs. After that who cares?

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10-15-2012, 09:24 PM
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It's always a lose-lose when you extend your most dynamic, highly-skilled forward.
This thread premise is so ridiculous that I feel like I'm missing some inside joke.


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I'd give him $8M on a 10 year contract.

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They'll probably extend him. Nonis has already stated they see Phil and JVR the cornerstones of the franchise.

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10-15-2012, 11:06 PM
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Maybe this is his shape up or ship out year
I still laugh when I see this.

But yeah, extending him is the right move. Who cares what other fans think.

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10-15-2012, 11:23 PM
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I still laugh when I see this.

But yeah, extending him is the right move. Who cares what other fans think.
I'm just about at the point where I don't care what our own fans think. Everyone who isn't me is an idiot and wrong.

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10-15-2012, 11:56 PM
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4 more years?

I think we're a hot goalie tandem away from the playoffs. After that who cares?
I don't want to be "this guy," mostly because I'd kill for some playoffs, but isn't it that exact mentality that got us into this mess in the first place? Lol.

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10-16-2012, 12:20 AM
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I don't want to be "this guy," mostly because I'd kill for some playoffs, but isn't it that exact mentality that got us into this mess in the first place? Lol.
Sorry it was in response to the other post about not any kind of seeing success until 2016.

I'm not willing to sell the farm to just make the playoffs. But I'm not going to hold onto every prospect like they are the next Gretzky either.

I just want to see some playoffs.

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10-16-2012, 12:27 AM
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I'm just about at the point where I don't care what our own fans think. Everyone who isn't me is an idiot and wrong.
I'm not saying I'm right, but everyone else's opinion is wrong.

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10-16-2012, 12:49 AM
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I do think offensive players tend to be a touch overpaid in terms of what they bring to the team. High end offensive talents are very rare, and you really need at least one dynamic offensive talent on your team (more than one is better). Because of the low supply of these talents, their market price is very high, even if they're pretty flawed in other regards (for Kessel this is his total lack of physicality, and weak defensive game). Also, we must remember that hockey teams are buisnesses, and players are paid not just for their ability to help teams win, but also to draw in revenue/fans. People don't get that excited about teams full of solid players (last year, think teams like Phoenix, Florida or even St. Louis), people get excited about high end offensive players who are tearing up the scoring race.

Compared to high end offensive players, solid 2-way talents are common in comparison, even if they provide similar value in terms of winning games. They're also less entertaining/exciting. For these reasons I believe 1-way offensive stars tend to provide less value per dollar than solid 2-way players.

With that being said, re-signing Kessel will obviously be WAY better than letting him walk. He's young, he's very talented, he still brings a lot to the table even with his flaws. He's a very good 1st line forward, you simply do not want to let players like that walk even if you have to give them a monster contract.

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10-16-2012, 01:49 AM
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I hope we don't mess around with Kessel. He's already an immense talent, I don't want to miss out on him right when he's about to hit his prime playing years.

Lock him up long term imo. 5 years minimum.

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10-16-2012, 03:33 AM
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I like Kessel, but there is no way I would give him 8+ million per season. That would make him top 5 for cap hits for forwards. And I realize there are other players who has a smaller cap hit due to a long contract. But the thing is Kessel is nowhere near being a top 5 forward (possibly not even top 20). Assuming this lockout lasts the whole season and then Kessel scores 80 two seasons from now (and that's a big if), I would not give him more then 7.5 if it's a longer contract, and even less then that if it's a short term contract.

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10-16-2012, 04:18 AM
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Are you serious OP?
Yeah really....

There has been no indication Kessel desires to leave and he has handled our market very well considering his shyness. There is not one reason that comes to mind not to extend him.

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10-16-2012, 05:00 AM
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Alexander Semin had two seasons where he scored more goals than Kessel's career best thus far.
And he's only like two years older than Kessel.

Semin is currently seen as a borderline useless player.

If you tried telling Washington fans a couple years ago that Semin is a pretty useless player (other than padding stats), you would get flamed to no end.

Unfortunately... Semin and Kessel are pretty similar players.
I know leaf fans (and only leaf fans) will scoff at that. But the fact is that Washington fans scoffed at Semin criticism a few years ago.

Being a fan of a team creates bias in judgement MUCH more powerful than the typical person is willing to believe or accept.
And that precise fan bias is the reason that leaf fans (and only leaf fans) think that Kessel is anything more than a slightly younger Alexander Semin.

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10-16-2012, 05:30 AM
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Kessel is a much better skater and more explosive. That gives him an entirely different dimension as a player.

Also, nobody thinks Semin is borderline useless. That's ridiculous.

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Alexander Semin had two seasons where he scored more goals than Kessel's career best thus far.
And he's only like two years older than Kessel.

Semin is currently seen as a borderline useless player.

If you tried telling Washington fans a couple years ago that Semin is a pretty useless player (other than padding stats), you would get flamed to no end.

Unfortunately... Semin and Kessel are pretty similar players.
I know leaf fans (and only leaf fans) will scoff at that. But the fact is that Washington fans scoffed at Semin criticism a few years ago.

Being a fan of a team creates bias in judgement MUCH more powerful than the typical person is willing to believe or accept.
And that precise fan bias is the reason that leaf fans (and only leaf fans) think that Kessel is anything more than a slightly younger Alexander Semin.
I can see some similarities in Semen and Kessel. But I think if Phil hit the open market there would be 10x the interest in him over Semen.

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I can see some similarities in Semen and Kessel. But I think if Phil hit the open market there would be 10x the interest in him over Semen.
What about with Semin two years ago (when he was kessel's age) after his 40 goal year?
How would Semin have done in the free agent market then?

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10-16-2012, 06:16 AM
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Randy is an idiot if he tries to reign Kessel in. Kessel needs to be left alone and do his thing. Kessel needs to play 20+ minutes a night and push for offence all game long.
Letting Kessel do "Whatever he wants" results in him and his linemates being on the ice for twice as many goals against - as goals for. While great for your fantasy pool - overall this hurts the team.

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