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11-26-2012, 10:40 AM
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Johnny Football's got it.

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te'o hasn't done anything to be worthy of #2 in heisman voting. maybe thanks to a 12-0 record and ESPN. he should go to new york but if he finishes second, im gonna believe the voters' minds are easily convinced of what they are being sold by ESPN and other outlets

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Te'o shouldn't even be in the discussion.

Manziel
Klein
Miller


Everyone else.

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11-26-2012, 10:45 AM
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they have mccarron #6 ... he shouldn't finish in 6th place. they haven't watched aj play the past month obviously. again, just believing the hype of the "best" player on one of the best teams like te'o

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11-26-2012, 10:48 AM
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The comparison that E!SPN did on Saturday was a joke, Woodson to Te'o.

Here you have a coverage LB who makes hardly any plays behind the line and has more assisted tackles than solo. Ok he has 7 INT's that's really good but his stats aren't Heisman worthy. He's not even the best LB in the country.

Woodson, probably the best shutdown CB in the history of CFB. They wouldn't throw it to his side of the field he was that dominant. He played in every facet of the game as well, offense, defense, special teams. ESPN really looked like complete dumbasses with this.

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11-26-2012, 11:05 AM
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te'o hasn't done anything to be worthy of #2 in heisman voting. maybe thanks to a 12-0 record and ESPN. he should go to new york but if he finishes second, im gonna believe the voters' minds are easily convinced of what they are being sold by ESPN and other outlets
He means the most to his team other than Manziel. That's why he deserves to go. He's the emotional leader of that defense and has elevated the play of it with his play and presence.

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11-26-2012, 11:18 AM
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He means the most to his team other than Manziel. That's why he deserves to go. He's the emotional leader of that defense and has elevated the play of it with his play and presence.
You can say that about anyone...

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11-26-2012, 11:23 AM
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You can say that about anyone...
To the level that Te'o has? I think not.

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11-26-2012, 11:58 AM
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you could probably put Deion Sanders in that feared defender list as well. teams never threw to him because they feared if he got the ball he would bring it back for 6.
Sanders didnt win the Heisman either.

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11-26-2012, 12:21 PM
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To the level that Te'o has? I think not.
How about that kid from Penn State? He's the revered leader of that team even when he is injured. Why not give him the Heisman?

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11-26-2012, 12:39 PM
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I'd have it:

1. Johnny Manziel (I refuse to call him "Johnny Football")
2. Collin Klein
3. Braxton Miller
4. Marquis Lee
5. Kenjon Barner

I'm sure Te'o will be a finalist over Lee or Barner though.

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11-26-2012, 12:51 PM
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To the level that Te'o has? I think not.
John Simon. Ohio State.

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11-26-2012, 01:10 PM
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How about that kid from Penn State? He's the revered leader of that team even when he is injured. Why not give him the Heisman?
Because Te'o has the personal resume and the team resume to back that up.

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11-26-2012, 01:23 PM
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Because Te'o has the personal resume and the team resume to back that up.
Te'o:
GP: 12 Total Tackles: 103 Solo Tackles: 52 Sacks: 1.5 Int: 7 Forced Fumbles: 0 TFL: 5.5

Mauti:
GP: 11 Total Tackles: 96 Solo Tackles: 49 Sacks: 2.5 Int: 3 Forced Fumbles: 3 TFL: 4

Personal resume's aren't that far off considering the extra game Te'o played. And the team resume thing, I don't buy into when it comes to the Heisman. The Penn State story this year, in my opinion, is just as impressive as the Notre Dame story.

My point is, Te'o's year doesn't warrant Heisman consideration when you look at a comparable player in terms of stats and intangibles. There are too many other play makers on that Notre Dame team to say Te'o is the MVP of the Country, IMO.


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11-26-2012, 01:29 PM
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Because Te'o has the personal resume and the team resume to back that up.
so basically if Te'o was putting up those same stats at say Wisconsin he wouldnt even be discussed for the Heisman.

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11-26-2012, 01:30 PM
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Te'o:
GP: 12 Total Tackles: 103 Solo Tackles: 52 Sacks: 1.5 Int: 7 Forced Fumbles: 0 TFL: 5.5

Mauti:
GP: 11 Total Tackles: 96 Solo Tackles: 49 Sacks: 2.5 Int: 3 Forced Fumbles: 2 TFL: 4

Personal resume's aren't that far off considering the extra game Te'o played. And the team resume thing, I don't buy into when it comes to the Heisman. The Penn State story this year, in my opinion, is just as impressive as the Notre Dame story.

My point is, Te'o's year doesn't warrant Heisman consideration when you look at a comparable player in terms of stats and intangibles. There are too many other play makers on that Notre Dame team to say Te'o is the MVP of the Country, IMO.
those stats are pretty much identical even with one less game played...

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11-26-2012, 03:22 PM
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Te'o:
GP: 12 Total Tackles: 103 Solo Tackles: 52 Sacks: 1.5 Int: 7 Forced Fumbles: 0 TFL: 5.5

Mauti:
GP: 11 Total Tackles: 96 Solo Tackles: 49 Sacks: 2.5 Int: 3 Forced Fumbles: 3 TFL: 4

Personal resume's aren't that far off considering the extra game Te'o played. And the team resume thing, I don't buy into when it comes to the Heisman. The Penn State story this year, in my opinion, is just as impressive as the Notre Dame story.

My point is, Te'o's year doesn't warrant Heisman consideration when you look at a comparable player in terms of stats and intangibles. There are too many other play makers on that Notre Dame team to say Te'o is the MVP of the Country, IMO.
52 sacks? 49 sacks? Are we talking career numbers? Your numbers are WAY OFF regarding sacks and tackles.

Here: Lets compare 3 of the top LB's in the country and tell me who has better numbers.

Shazier: 12 GP: 115 Tackles (70 solo, 45 assisted), 17 TFL, 5 Sacks, 1 INT 1 TD , 10 PBU, 3 FF

Te'o: 12 GP: 103 Tackles (52 solo, 51 assisted), 5.5 TFL, 1.5 Sacks, 7 INT, 4 PBU

Mauti: 11 GP: 96 Tackles (49 solo, 47 assisted), 4 TFL, 2.5 Sacks, 3 INT, 2 PBU, 3 FF

Shazier would be the answer...

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52 sacks? 49 sacks? Are we talking career numbers? Your numbers are WAY OFF regarding sacks and tackles.

Here: Lets compare 3 of the top LB's in the country and tell me who has better numbers.

Shazier: 12 GP: 115 Tackles (70 solo, 45 assisted), 17 TFL, 5 Sacks, 1 INT 1 TD , 10 PBU, 3 FF

Te'o: 12 GP: 103 Tackles (52 solo, 51 assisted), 5.5 TFL, 1.5 Sacks, 7 INT, 4 PBU

Mauti: 11 GP: 96 Tackles (49 solo, 47 assisted), 4 TFL, 2.5 Sacks, 3 INT, 2 PBU, 3 FF

Shazier would be the answer...
The # of sacks is after the colon

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Te'o:
GP: 12 Total Tackles: 103 Solo Tackles: 52 Sacks: 1.5 Int: 7 Forced Fumbles: 0 TFL: 5.5

Mauti:
GP: 11 Total Tackles: 96 Solo Tackles: 49 Sacks: 2.5 Int: 3 Forced Fumbles: 3 TFL: 4

Personal resume's aren't that far off considering the extra game Te'o played. And the team resume thing, I don't buy into when it comes to the Heisman. The Penn State story this year, in my opinion, is just as impressive as the Notre Dame story.

My point is, Te'o's year doesn't warrant Heisman consideration when you look at a comparable player in terms of stats and intangibles. There are too many other play makers on that Notre Dame team to say Te'o is the MVP of the Country, IMO.
But, Notre Dame's also the best team in the country, which expounds on the whole MVP factor. And they're experiencing an incredible rise in quality of play on the defensive side of the ball.

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52 sacks? 49 sacks? Are we talking career numbers? Your numbers are WAY OFF regarding sacks and tackles.

Here: Lets compare 3 of the top LB's in the country and tell me who has better numbers.

Shazier: 12 GP: 115 Tackles (70 solo, 45 assisted), 17 TFL, 5 Sacks, 1 INT 1 TD , 10 PBU, 3 FF

Te'o: 12 GP: 103 Tackles (52 solo, 51 assisted), 5.5 TFL, 1.5 Sacks, 7 INT, 4 PBU

Mauti: 11 GP: 96 Tackles (49 solo, 47 assisted), 4 TFL, 2.5 Sacks, 3 INT, 2 PBU, 3 FF

Shazier would be the answer...
The category is BEFORE the stat, not after.

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Te'o is up there because he's the best player on the best team. That's the only reason why.

Even from Texas A&M, Damontre Moore has been just as important (if not more) to our defense with similar numbers.

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But, Notre Dame's also the best team in the country, which expounds on the whole MVP factor. And they're experiencing an incredible rise in quality of play on the defensive side of the ball.
I know it'll be hard to convince you otherwise, as it appears you are a Notre Dame fan.

Let's put it this way: when's the last time a purely defensive only player won the Heisman? Meaning he didn't contribute in any other facet of the game. I'm not too sure about the history, but it seems it's been since the 40s (and I'm assuming some of those players played both sides of the ball most likely).

I'll agree, he's going to be a finalist because of the media hype behind Notre Dame this year and them having a perfect record. But there is no way I believe he actually has a chance.

Even considering he's a Freshman, Manziel has put up incredible numbers when compared to recent Hesiman winners. And he was able to beat the best defense in the country in Alabama. And I think it'll be too much to overlook not giving it to him.

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The # of sacks is after the colon
Misread, my bad.

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Clowney is the best player in the country and his team is 10-2, he deserves it. But wont win it because he is a defensive end.

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I know it'll be hard to convince you otherwise, as it appears you are a Notre Dame fan.

Let's put it this way: when's the last time a purely defensive only player won the Heisman? Meaning he didn't contribute in any other facet of the game. I'm not too sure about the history, but it seems it's been since the 40s (and I'm assuming some of those players played both sides of the ball most likely).

I'll agree, he's going to be a finalist because of the media hype behind Notre Dame this year and them having a perfect record. But there is no way I believe he actually has a chance.

Even considering he's a Freshman, Manziel has put up incredible numbers when compared to recent Hesiman winners. And he was able to beat the best defense in the country in Alabama. And I think it'll be too much to overlook not giving it to him.
I don't really think he has a chance either, but he deserves to go to New York and I think he'll get the 2nd most votes just because of how the end of the season shook out.

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