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11-30-2012, 12:03 PM
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Ladies and gentlemen, your future Cleveland Browns Middle Linebacker.
you going to be a fan of the team he goes to?

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Thanks to NBC and ESPN, Te'o has turned into Tebow.

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I really like the kid's story and he had a lot to overcome personally, but he is not going to win the Heisman

It is Manziel's AINEC

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I really like the kid's story and he had a lot to overcome personally, but he is not going to win the Heisman

It is Manziel's AINEC
He shouldn't even be up for it. He's not even the best LB in the country. Jarvis Jones, Ryan Sahzier, ahem....

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Thanks to NBC and ESPN, Te'o has turned into Tebow.
I still say if he put up those same stats at Wisconsin, or BYU ect, He wouldnt even be in the discussion for the Heisman.
No doubt he is a really good player tho.

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11-30-2012, 02:28 PM
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I still say if he put up those same stats at Wisconsin, or BYU ect, He wouldnt even be in the discussion for the Heisman.
W/o a doubt. Shouldn't be in the discussion anyways.

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12-02-2012, 12:27 AM
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Final Top 5:

1. Johnny Manziel
2. Collin Klein
3. Braxton Miller
4. Marqise Lee
5. Monte Ball

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1. Johnny Manziel
2. Collin Klein
3. Braxton Miller
4. Marqise Lee
5. Monte Ball
This is mine as well. But we all know Te'o will be in NY. I'd guess at the expense of Lee. Maybe Ball too if they only invite 4. I also wonder if Miller will get slighted because of tOSU's postseason ban?

I'm not trying to slight Te'o in the least, he's a great player but he hasn't had a Heisman worthy season. There's just no Luck's, Griffin's, Newton's Tebow's, etc this year and Notre Dame is #1 so he's getting the hype machine. He's probably not even the best defensive player in the country either.

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BREAKING: 2012 Heisman Trophy finalists announced: Manti Te'o, Johnny Manziel, Collin Klein.
It's Manziel's to lose IMO.

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Surprised that there were only 3 players invited.

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Clowney has been robbed!

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12-03-2012, 06:23 PM
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Te'o isn't the best defensive player in the country, let alone the best LB.

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you going to be a fan of the team he goes to?
Eh, not really. I'll probably watch the games and all.

It'd be very similar to the situation I have with Andrew Luck. The two of them have been my favorite college players of all time and I've been fans since they've been freshmen. I watch Colts games and am happy when they win, but when they lose, it doesn't phase me at all.

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Montee Ball should be a finalist.

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Lee should be there, far and away USC's best player and dominated. Too bad no one else could do that on USC.

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He shouldn't even be up for it. He's not even the best LB in the country. Jarvis Jones, Ryan Shazier, ahem....
In Jones' biggest game of the year, he gets man handled. Doesn't exactly bode well for him.

Te'o came up huge in the MSU game, which was both the best story of the year and a huge game at the time; made the game sealing play in the OU game, and came up big in the Stanford game in OT.


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In Jones' biggest game of the year, he gets man handled. Doesn't exactly bode well for him.

Te'o came up huge in the MSU game, which was both the best story of the year and a huge game at the time; made the game sealing play in the OU game, and came up big in the Stanford game in OT.
Someone's story shouldn't play into the Heisman despite being the only reason Te'o is up for it. If he played for anyone other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't even be up for it. Also, if he does win it, it'll be a complete farce and make the Heisman Trophy a joke. Please don't tell me "He's a strong leader" stuff either because I can list John Simon and Mike Mauti in that same category.

If Suh (2009), Hawk (2005), Arrington (1999) or Spielman (1987) didn't win it, Te'o should not even come close.

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Someone's story shouldn't play into the Heisman despite being the only reason Te'o is up for it. If he played for anyone other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't even be up for it. Also, if he does win it, it'll be a complete farce and make the Heisman Trophy a joke. Please don't tell me "He's a strong leader" stuff either because I can list John Simon and Mike Mauti in that same category.

If Suh (2009), Hawk (2005), Arrington (1999) or Spielman (1987) didn't win it, Te'o should not even come close.
People talk about Te'o's importance to his team as to why he should win it, and yet that argument NEVER comes up for Manziel. Take Manziel away from A&M and sub in Showers, we're lucky to go 7-5 this year. Te'o out might cost them a game, that's really about it.

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Someone's story shouldn't play into the Heisman despite being the only reason Te'o is up for it. If he played for anyone other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't even be up for it. Also, if he does win it, it'll be a complete farce and make the Heisman Trophy a joke. Please don't tell me "He's a strong leader" stuff either because I can list John Simon and Mike Mauti in that same category.

If Suh (2009), Hawk (2005), Arrington (1999) or Spielman (1987) didn't win it, Te'o should not even come close.
Teo had a great story but that shouldn't give him Heisman

Just very impressive for him to do what he did...but you can't give it to him, you can't

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People talk about Te'o's importance to his team as to why he should win it, and yet that argument NEVER comes up for Manziel. Take Manziel away from A&M and sub in Showers, we're lucky to go 7-5 this year. Te'o out might cost them a game, that's really about it.
For sure, w/o Manziel (A&M), Klein (KState), and Miller (Ohio St), those teams would not be where they are without them. Take Te'o off that team and they still have a strong defense.

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Te'o is only up for it because he's the best player on a 12-0, #1 team and they have no offensive players that even belong in the discussion about the discussion.

Miller probably got the shaft cause of tOSU's sanctions. I'd put Him, Ball, Lee, Barner and even Geno Smith, J.Jones and Clowney before Te'o.

I'm not trying to slight Te'o either, he's a great player, and I'd love for my Vikings to draft him, but he arguably isn't even the best LB in the country.

He has 7 INT's and that's about it as far as stats go. I know it's about more than just stats, but they play a big part. If he wins its a disgrace. He's nowhere near as dominant as Woodson was and there's been better defense players than him between Woodson's year and this year. Suh and Mathieu in recent years were both better, to name a few.

I'd be perfectly fine with either Manziel or Klein winning, although my vote would got to Manziel with Klein #2.


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Great, great article comparing Shazier to Te'o and why he should not be up for it.

http://www.the-ozone.net/football/20...n_defense.html

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Of Te'o's seven interceptions, only two were in Notre Dame territory, and none closer than the 27-yard line, so it's not like he stopped a sure touchdown drive. Both of those interceptions were then turned into Notre Dame punts, by the way.

In fact, four of his seven interceptions led to Notre Dame punts. The Irish converted his seven turnovers into just 13 points.
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Shazier forced just two turnovers this season. One was an interception return for a touchdown against Penn State, and the other was a forced fumble against Wisconsin inside the one-foot line. In essence, Shazier's two turnovers were worth 14 points to the Buckeyes, and they meant more to Ohio State than Te'o's seven meant to Notre Dame.
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Te'o has all kinds of defenders, citing the fact that he has low tackle numbers because the Notre Dame defense isn't on the field as much as most defenses, and that's true. But since when is lack of production a legitimate defense for an award based in most part on statistics?
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Instead, I'll give you a stat that isn't based on number of snaps. Manti Te'o's average tackle took place after 5.1 yards had already been gained by the opponent. Ryan Shazier's average tackle took place after 4.3 yards had already been gained, and that's including a tackle 74 yards down the field against Nebraska as Shazier tracked down receiver Kenny Bell.

Over the second half of the season, Shazier cut that number down to just 2.4 yards. Te'o allowed more than twice that over the course of 12 games.
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People point to the fact that Notre Dame is undefeated and Te'o is the leader of the defense. How is that different than Shazier?

Being a leader doesn't make you a Heisman candidate, you also have to produce numbers that are well above average. Te'o hasn't done that.

Yes, he has seven interceptions. Go talk to the Thorpe Award committee.

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Seven interceptions are only tied for the national lead. Screw those. They mean nothing. Especially the ones that were critical to winning games.

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Seven interceptions are only tied for the national lead. Screw those. They mean nothing. Especially the ones that were critical to winning games.
Didn't he refute exactly this argument...?

Tied is your key word there. Means it's not even really that huge of an achievement.

And just how many of these were really "critical to winning games"? 1, maybe 2?

Quit kidding yourself, he doesn't even really deserve to be nominated. If he played for any other team, he'd be nowhere on the radar.

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