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10-18-2012, 07:06 PM
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St. Louis - Calgary

To St Louis : Jay Bouwmeester + Backlund

To Calgary: Ty Rattie + Andy McDonald

Flames want Rattie in the worst way to play with Baertschi. Blues get someone to log huge minutes and give the Blues Defensive line some diversity. Backlund fills the C void that McDonald would leave and St. Louis gets a young asset back.

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10-18-2012, 07:19 PM
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This proposal is horrible for the Blues. No deal. We're not trading our best offensive player in McDonald unless a better younger forward is coming back our way. And Ty Rattie is showing he can most certainly produce without the help of Bärtschi. In fact, he had 4 goals and an assist in his last showing. Again, no thanks.

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10-18-2012, 07:24 PM
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I mean not a chance. I'd rather have Rattie than Backlund, and I'd rather have McDonald than Bouwmeester.

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10-18-2012, 07:25 PM
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Good luck getting a single Blues fan to say yes to this.

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10-18-2012, 07:29 PM
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Horrible for both teams, McDonald is the last thing the Flames need!

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10-18-2012, 07:34 PM
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as a flames fan i would do this in a heartbeat,

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10-18-2012, 07:36 PM
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Horrible for both teams, McDonald is the last thing the Flames need!
Flames don't need a good forward? Ok. Oh, and a top prospect as well. This is great for the Flames.

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10-18-2012, 07:37 PM
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Bouwmeester > McDonald (Take age and minutes played into consideration.)

Rattie > Backlund (I'm saying this in confidence that Rattie will be an impact player. Backlund has proven he can play at the NHL level).

Blues fans can scoff at it, but I think it's close.


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10-18-2012, 07:41 PM
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Bouwmeester > MsDonald (Take age and minutes played into consideration.

Rattie > Backlund (I'm saying this in confidence that Rattie will be an impact player. Backlund has proven he can play at the NHL leverl).

Blues fans can scoff at it, but I think it's close.
Bouwmeester's contract is horrible for our budget, and we need McDonald's offense, way more than whatever Bouwmeester could provide.

McDonald is being underrated here.

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10-18-2012, 07:41 PM
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Bouwmeester > MsDonald (Take age and minutes played into consideration.

Rattie > Backlund (I'm saying this in confidence that Rattie will be an impact player. Backlund has proven he can play at the NHL leverl).

Blues fans can scoff at it, but I think it's close.
Not for the Blues.

McDonald is our most dynamic forward when he is on the ice, and gets our PP going. Our D was the best in the League by a pretty clear margin last season. It doesn't make much sense to take a key forward to add to the biggest team strength.

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10-18-2012, 07:43 PM
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Bouwmeester's contract is horrible for our budget, and we need McDonald's offense, way more than whatever Bouwmeester could provide.

McDonald is being underrated here.
McDonald is a better player than Bouwmeester, yes, but he's also 35 years old and has had some serious health issues over the past few years. He's not as valuable as you'd think.

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10-18-2012, 07:47 PM
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McDonald is a better player than Bouwmeester, yes, but he's also 35 years old and has had some serious health issues over the past few years. He's not as valuable as you'd think.
I had this in mind as being a deal equalizer. +1

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10-18-2012, 07:50 PM
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McDonald is a better player than Bouwmeester, yes, but he's also 35 years old and has had some serious health issues over the past few years. He's not as valuable as you'd think.
True. His value is high pretty much only to us. He has to be on a contending team with depth for a team to value him high enough, and even then other teams that fit that, wouldn't give up the assets that we value him at. McDonald is the perfect example of a player who's value is significantly higher for his team in relation to the rest of the league.

If I was a GM of another team I wouldn't have much interest in him, but if he was on my team, I wouldn't move him.

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10-18-2012, 07:52 PM
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This trade would improve St. Louis from a purely hockey perspective. It solidifies a position of need almost perfectly. Bouwmeester is underrated and would look very fine next to Petro for 18 ES min/game and some solid, reliable PK time as well as PP2 time. He is everything that Blues fans would want in a partner for Petro. He doesn't demand the puck but can move it with either a pass or by skating it out and up when the lane is open. He's big and can handle men in the corners but isn't physical, which causes people to label him soft. He's a good skater and good at retrieving pucks on dump ins. Sounds very much like Petro himself to me.

MacDonald is a forward I'm not terrible high on from the Blues and, in my opinion, losing him is replaceable on that team. Yes he puts up a highish PPG average but he needs one, often both of his linemates to compensate for his (what I call) pure offense-instincts. The thing that they will miss the most would be simply the speed dynamic that he brings that allows them to force certain matchups due to slow/fast defensemen.

Backlund and Rattie would both be throw ins. Backlund would have to fight for a roster spot somewhere in the Blues bottom 6 (probably 3rd line center or pressbox) and Rattie is at least 3 years away from even competing for a roster spot in the NHL.

The only thing that would make the Blues hesitant to do this would be the implications of Bouwmeesters contract on Petro/Shatty next contract. If they use his contract as a benchmark then I think all 3 will end up being overpriced, which would lead to long term struggles for the franchise.

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10-18-2012, 08:19 PM
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MacDonald is a forward I'm not terrible high on from the Blues and, in my opinion, losing him is replaceable on that team. Yes he puts up a highish PPG average but he needs one, often both of his linemates to compensate for his (what I call) pure offense-instincts. The thing that they will miss the most would be simply the speed dynamic that he brings that allows them to force certain matchups due to slow/fast defensemen.
You could not be more wrong about McDonald. He is the one who makes his linemates better. Actually he makes the entire team better. Not only with his speed and offensive abilities, but he's also quite good defensively as well. There's a reason why Hitchcock utilizes him on the PK and in all other situations.
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McDonald is a better player than Bouwmeester, yes, but he's also 35 years old and has had some serious health issues over the past few years. He's not as valuable as you'd think.
Which is exactly why we would not want to trade him. He's more valuable to us than he ever would be in a trade.

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10-18-2012, 08:25 PM
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As a Flames fan I would do this in a second. Too bad it would never happen.

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Well it would be cool to see the Blues miss the playoffs.

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10-18-2012, 08:39 PM
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Even though we don't "need" McDonald...



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I mean not a chance. I'd rather have Rattie than Backlund, and I'd rather have McDonald than Bouwmeester.
Exactly this

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10-18-2012, 09:03 PM
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I'd rather have Backlund over Rattie, not a Rattie fan at all.

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10-18-2012, 09:13 PM
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i honestly have no interest in rattie... i like backlund and even if he stays a solid third liner i'd rather have him at his age than having Mcdonald and trying to jsut make the playoff

i want to build through draft and i dont believe rattie and baertschi will perform as well in the NHL together as they did in the WHL

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10-18-2012, 09:14 PM
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I'd rather have Backlund over Rattie, not a Rattie fan at all.
this exactly

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You could not be more wrong about McDonald. He is the one who makes his linemates better. Actually he makes the entire team better. Not only with his speed and offensive abilities, but he's also quite good defensively as well. There's a reason why Hitchcock utilizes him on the PK and in all other situations.

Which is exactly why we would not want to trade him. He's more valuable to us than he ever would be in a trade.
really?.... does it matter that much to you???? its the internet... not some grammar test

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10-18-2012, 09:19 PM
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really?.... does it matter that much to you???? its the internet... not some grammar test
You are suppose to capitalize the first letter of the first word in each sentence, just so you know.

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10-18-2012, 09:23 PM
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Andy McDonald is 35 and has only played slightly over half the games in the last 4 years, not something the Flames need to get into. His value is low to most teams, except the Blues even though he's still a good player. One good shot and this trade could instantly turn into JayBo and Backlund for Rattie, so no from the Flames

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