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All Purpose Luongo Trade Discussion (New news) MOD WARNING IN OP
IMO Canucks fans think Lou will fetch more then he will, (And maybe Burke will overpay, this is a #1 goalie) but frankly Gillis is not really in any state of control.
Meanwhile Leafs fans are throwing out typical quantity offers.
I could see basically Kulemin, maybe a lower draft pick.
It addresses our top 6 hole for one season, after which we won't have netted anything from the deal. I see no realistic way we could keep Lupul after the cap drops without either significantly gutting the rest of the roster or letting Edler walk.
I would much rather get a 1st back from Toronto than Lupul, even if it does nothing for our roster next season. What would you rather have?
Who says we couldn't afford to re-sign Lupul? Based on what? Edler isn't going to get $6M and if he thinks he's worth it then we can trade him.
There should be room for Lupul next year too.
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frankly Gillis is not really in any state of control.
I can't for the life of me figure out how the GM with two great goalies is in a worse position than the guy with none. Gillis can do nothing and get great goaltending, Burke can do nothing and throw another season in the toilet on bad goaltending. I know who I'd rather be.
Who says we couldn't afford to re-sign Lupul? Based on what? Edler isn't going to get $6M and if he thinks he's worth it then we can trade him.
There should be room for Lupul next year too.
Well in the NHL's proposal that we're using to base all our speculation off of, the 2013 cap was proposed at $60 million. Even if we trade Ballard, let Malhotra, Raymond, MacArthur and Higgins walk, and replace them all with rookies, we would still be over the cap. Not even counting any raises to Edler, Lupul, Lapierre, or Tanev, and dressing no spares.
Just don't call Leafs fans homers after that. The possibility of the Luongo deal returning either Reilly or a 1st is miniscule. To return both is.........
I can't for the life of me figure out how the GM with two great goalies is in a worse position than the guy with none. Gillis can do nothing and get great goaltending, Burke can do nothing and throw another season in the toilet on bad goaltending. I know who I'd rather be.
That is not the problem (Trust me, as a Flyers fan I'd love that tandem )
But with the cap eventually going down, do you really want $9,333,333 tandem? not to mention everyone knows you are trying to trade Luongo.
Well in the NHL's proposal that we're using to base all our speculation off of, the 2013 cap was proposed at $60 million. Even if we trade Ballard, let Malhotra, Raymond, MacArthur and Higgins walk, and replace them all with rookies, we would still be over the cap. Not even counting any raises to Edler, Lupul, Lapierre, or Tanev, and dressing no spares.
IMO Canucks fans think Lou will fetch more then he will, (And maybe Burke will overpay, this is a #1 goalie) but frankly Gillis is not really in any state of control.
Best recent example to use is Scott Howson. He talked a lot about wanting an A+ package of players and top prospects for Rick Nash. However everyone knew that was never going to happen and they were correct when they saw what the Rangers gave up.
Now incase someone says but the Blue Jackets still got a 1st round pick for a player that asked to be traded. While that maybe true Nash's contract is a lot better when looking at the term and he is also younger. With Luongo his contract negatives are is age and how much is left on it. So that's why I think the Canucks should give their 1st round pick to who ever trades for him.
The cap will likely go up by the 2013-14 season. The $60M figure is what it would hypothetically be at for 2012-13.
An estimated growth of 5% might be enough to accommodate the raises for Edler, Lapierre, Tanev and probably Lupul too. Still nowhere near enough to fill out our roster with decent depth.
I'll reiterate my point, adding Lupul would only be truly helpful for the upcoming season. We would be better served to get a good futures return than him.
But with the cap eventually going down, do you really want $9,333,333 tandem? not to mention everyone knows you are trying to trade Luongo.
It's not ideal, but it's better than making us a much worse team. That wasn't really my point though. I think the guy on the hot seat with big question marks in net has to be in a worse position than the guy with job security and two great goalies.
Best recent example to use is Scott Howson. He talked a lot about wanting an A+ package of players and top prospects for Rick Nash. However everyone knew that was never going to happen and they were correct when they saw what the Rangers gave up.
Now incase someone says but the Blue Jackets still got a 1st round pick for a player that asked to be traded. While that maybe true Nash's contract is a lot better when looking at the term and he is also younger. With Luongo his contract negatives are is age and how much is left on it. So that's why I think the Canucks should give their 1st round pick to who ever trades for him.
You are so out to lunch with this. If Luongo was 27 with 5 years left, he'd probably return Gardiner + Lupul.
His age and term mean that the return is more realistic not that the Canucks have to pay someone to take him.
Best recent example to use is Scott Howson. He talked a lot about wanting an A+ package of players and top prospects for Rick Nash. However everyone knew that was never going to happen and they were correct when they saw what the Rangers gave up.
Now incase someone says but the Blue Jackets still got a 1st round pick for a player that asked to be traded. While that maybe true Nash's contract is a lot better when looking at the term and he is also younger. With Luongo his contract negatives are is age and how much is left on it. So that's why I think the Canucks should give their 1st round pick to who ever trades for him.
Nash's contract is also a hell of a lot worse when you look at his cap hit. Why is it that only term matters? Is there a limit on years you can commit on your team combined? Or is it dollars?
Also, Nash apparently had told Howson he won't play again in Columbus. From what we've heard Luongo has openly stated he's okay with coming back.
Also, Nash apparently had told Howson he won't play again in Columbus. From what we've heard Luongo has openly stated he's okay with coming back.
Luongo may have said that publicly to the media, however do you honestly think he would be ok as the Canucks #2 Goalie? The fact is he asked for a trade and whenever a player does that the GM trading him doesn't have the power in terms of what he wants in return.
Would Canucks consider taking Komisarek? it's well known that they need a gritty crease clearing defenseman.
I also think that Toronto fans should not take Lupul off the table. Yes he was a staple for them last year but that is a trade that could be a win-win for both teams.
only if the new CBA allows teams to waive players with NMC and not have it count against the cap. Then, being a rich team, the Canucks could afford to take on a bad contract to improve the value of a trade.
Otherwise Komisarek is dead weight. He wouldn't make the team's top-6.
And the Canucks aren't in need of a gritty crease clearer either... they just signed Garrison, who's known for his physical defensive game as it is. What is well known is that the Canucks defense is built around fast puck-moving dmen, and defenders who lack mobility overall never fit in well.
Lupul makes more sense. He's a player that actually upgrades a position on the team.
The cap will likely go up by the 2013-14 season. The $60M figure is what it would hypothetically be at for 2012-13.
At most the cap will be around 62.34 million in 2013-14. The NHL isn't going through all this trouble to lower the cap to 60 million for the 2012 season just to be back at 70 million by 2014
Luongo may have said that publicly to the media, however do you honestly think he would be ok as the Canucks #2 Goalie? The fact is he asked for a trade and whenever a player does that the GM trading him doesn't have the power in terms of what he wants in return.
Your own GM is a perfect example of staying patient with a player that wants out and get the best deal for him. And by all accounts, Gillis is in a much better situation with Luongo than Burke was when he dealt with Bure.
Bure requested a trade out of Vancouver before Burke even got there. He then talked to Burke right after he arrived, and demanded a trade and said he would holdout and not play for the Canucks again. Burke took his time - and this with a player that held out and refused to report to the team. He traded him in January - months into the season, and got a great deal for a holdout with 2 bad knees.
Luongo is no where near that situation at this point. There is no indication that he will hold out - in fact the opposite as he's said he'd be fine returning to the Canucks. Obviously, long-term he either wants out or for Schneider to be moved, but right now he is giving Gillis all the time he needs to make the right deal. Whether the CBA allows Gillis that patience is a different story... but as far as Luongo goes, IMO we have at least a full season before we need to worry about Luongo publicly demanding out/threatening to hold out/causing locker room problems. If Gillis can't find the right deal going into the season, I don't see the problem keeping Luongo and looking again at the deadline... and then again in the offseason if necessary (again, all CBA pressures notwithstanding).
Luongo may have said that publicly to the media, however do you honestly think he would be ok as the Canucks #2 Goalie? The fact is he asked for a trade and whenever a player does that the GM trading him doesn't have the power in terms of what he wants in return.
There's nothing that suggests he would be the Canucks number 2 goalie. Likely a timeshare.
At most the cap will be around 62.34 million in 2013-14. The NHL isn't going through all this trouble to lower the cap to 60 million for the 2012 season just to be back at 70 million by 2014
I'm not so sure. The NHL wants a bigger share of the pie. If the pie grows then I'm not sure they would care what the cap is. In a 50/50 cap world both sides make more if revenue grows.
The Canucks should hang on to Luongo and trade Schneider. They have some good looking goalies coming up in their system. Lack looks like he could backup Luongo right away.
Schneider is far more valuable in a trade imho. Get the best deal out there.
Lack can backup Luongo until he is ready to take over the #1.
Who says we couldn't afford to re-sign Lupul? Based on what? Edler isn't going to get $6M and if he thinks he's worth it then we can trade him.
There should be room for Lupul next year too.
Lupul won't be going to the Nucks just like Kessler won't be coming to Toronto. Burke isn't going to trade a top 6 forward with size. It just isn't happening and it's silly to speculate.
If that is the case so be it. However he was given a contract at the end of the year which showed the team was putting their faith in him for the moment. If Dubnyk can't live up to it, then the Oilers will move on at that time. He is being given an opportunity here, something that the team can do at this stage considering they are not yet a cup contender. Who knows what will happen, only time will tell. However it is highly unlikely Luongo is an option for Edmonton at this stage.
I agree with you, Luongo is not the best fit in Edmonton. Just in my opinion going with Dubnyk is a mistake.
Lupul won't be going to the Nucks just like Kessler won't be coming to Toronto. Burke isn't going to trade a top 6 forward with size. It just isn't happening and it's silly to speculate.
You can have Kessler. I've never heard of him anyway.
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