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10-09-2012, 10:55 PM
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Just got screwed over by opposing team's coach..

My team was down 2-1 late in the game, when one of the away team's players decided to be a stereotypical Midget hockey player and run one of our players' head into the boards. This happened with about 5 minutes until curfew time. When the ref went over to talk to the opposing team's coach about his player's penalty, the coach purposely asked a whole pile of questions, purposely delaying the game. When that was said and done, we had 1 minute until curfew and obviously couldn't get anything done. ******** way to lose a hockey game.

Anyway, felt I needed to vent that somewhere that isn't Facebook.


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10-10-2012, 01:48 AM
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Partially the refs fault too, easily could have seen what he was trying to do.

Sounds like the coach was a smart guy. If I was the ref, would have thrown the kid out, finished the game, then answered questions. Easily said in hindsight though. Human aspect of the game.

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I'd be more upset with the referee in that scenario...it should have been pretty transparent what the coach was trying to do. Agreed that it's a lousy way to lose, regardless, though.

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10-10-2012, 11:02 AM
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What is curfew? I've never heard of that before

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Partially the refs fault too, easily could have seen what he was trying to do.

Sounds like the coach was a smart guy. If I was the ref, would have thrown the kid out, finished the game, then answered questions. Easily said in hindsight though. Human aspect of the game.
Blame the ref not the coach. The coach did what any smart coach would have done, he used the delay to his advantage. The ref allowed this and thus allowed time to tick away.

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What is curfew? I've never heard of that before
I believe it means they have to be off the ice by a certain time

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Ya that sucks, like killing the clock in straight time. Cheap way to win.

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Credit to the coach, granted it's not really sportsmanship...

The ref needs the talking to. He should tell the coach that THIS IS what's happening, explain it and skate away. If the coach really wanted to discuss it, he'd have to wait till the end.

Its a thing many refs do, I myself do it... I'd spend a few minutes talking about it... But then it's like, oh **** I've got a game to do...

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What a loser way to win. I give no credit to the coach.

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What is curfew? I've never heard of that before
Don't know if it's like this elsewhere, but in Ottawa the game must end at a certain time (:50 for games on the hour, :20 for games on the half hour) so that they have time to clean the ice between games.

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I still blame the coach. He shouldn't be 'taking advantage' of a situation like that, it's just poor sportsmanship. While the ref should have clued in, he shouldn't have had to in the first place.

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smart coach, the ref should have known better than to keep engaging the coach

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smart coach, the ref should have known better than to keep engaging the coach
I don't know about "smart". Integrity is an important part of many coaches' lives, and they should be passing those traits on to their players.

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Don't know if it's like this elsewhere, but in Ottawa the game must end at a certain time (:50 for games on the hour, :20 for games on the half hour) so that they have time to clean the ice between games.
wow, the game ends because the ice slot is over. that sucks, here they play the game out. they will make up the time somewhere in another game.

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I don't know about "smart". Integrity is an important part of many coaches' lives, and they should be passing those traits on to their players.
I agree that it was a smart move by the coach and not necessarily an integrity issue. It's no different than in a beer league with a running clock where a team makes a late change on the PK to run some more time off. It may feel less than stellar to be on the wrong end of it, but all you can do is charge it to the game. You may develop a better appreciation for it when you are on the more beneficial side of the equation because you used your wit to take advantage of a set of rules.

In the end, it's just a game and you will probably learn more from this situation, should you choose to do so, than you would have had it gone 'the way it was suppose to.'

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Coaching

Old adage still applies when coaching "What goes around comes around".

Gaming the game will get you gamed down the road.

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wow, the game ends because the ice slot is over. that sucks, here they play the game out. they will make up the time somewhere in another game.
One option is to use running clock, or just not clean the ice after the 2nd period if the game is running slow. But usually when I'm reffing a game and the rink staff moan at us that we need to be off by a certain time I tell them "**** you, that's not my problem, you should schedule the ice slots better" unless of course there has been a massive delay like an injury

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that sucks, in calgary the rule is once there is 5 mins left in the ice slot the clock gets changed to 2min. then you are allowed to play the final 2 regardless of how long it takes.

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Pretty pathetic how far some people are winning to get a win with 10 year olds. I know its not just hockey but it is still pathetic

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i coach 5-6 year olds, they play 3/4 ice games, only 12 a year with a coach on the ice instead of a ref. i had the opposing coach strip one of my kids of the puck and pass it to one of his. I was irrate but i approached him and told him i didnt think that was ok and that he shouldnt be doing it. he tried to accuse me of putting my good kids against his bad ones. We have 14 kids, we put 5 on teh ice and one in net, every whistle they change all 6 players. Our team was significantly better skaters but thats more the kids being taught how to skate than anything. it ended in me telling him that if he wants to play kids + coach against us we could do that as well but he would look even stupider than he already did interfering with 5 & 6 year old kids playing one of the few games they are allowed.

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Rink needs to do a better job scheduling so curfew doesn't effect the outcome of games

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Rink needs to do a better job scheduling so curfew doesn't effect the outcome of games
Yeah, see my other post.

I was once reffing a youth game and rink staff told me we had to hurry up so the rec team could get on the ice on time. After the game I came out of my dressing room to find the rink completely empty with all the lights off and no rec team in sight. Turns out the zamboni driver just wanted to go home

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Wow, I feel like that's a crappy rule, that "curfew" thing. Here at my rink, we let the games play out and if a game runs longer than it's supposed to then we just push back the next game however many minutes the situation calls for. A game should never end before the time runs out IMO.

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Rink needs to do a better job scheduling so curfew doesn't effect the outcome of games
Didn't realise that they didn't do it in other places, but I'm just accustomed to this rule I guess.

They should give some more time between games I agree. It's not fun for the losing team that gets curfewed. It also gives people reasons to stall and slither away with a cheap win, as you've all seen happen in this situation.

It's gotten so bad that they're actually starting to call games during the middle of play in the Rep B league. Up until now they've at least waited until a stoppage of play.

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The ref doesn't need to explain a thing. He should have been aware of the curfew and he let it get out of hand. The other coach was being a bit of a jerk, but the ref was negligent.

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