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10-19-2012, 07:42 AM
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PirateBay moves to cloud

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10...ay_cloud_move/

I suppose this is where you're supposed to post BOOM?

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10-19-2012, 08:20 AM
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Reading through that it is the first time I even heard of that six strikes and you're out thing that ISP's are doing. I am really appalled by it and I wonder why it didnt receive the fanfare that SOPA got.

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This seems like as good a place as any to ask. Does using magnets really make a difference on your likelihood of getting caught? There are some computer geeks in my office arguing about it. My main downloading stopped a while ago when just downloading the torrent link was still how it happened. I don't really get how it'd be any safer or whatever.

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Magnet links were implemented to protect PirateBay's ass.

As known, PirateBay doesn't host any of the actual content, but for the longest time, they hosted the torrent files. So now, instead of hosting the torrent files, they are hosting pointers to the torrent files. It's basically lengthening the chain that links PirateBay to the content, in attempts to end any allegations of piracy.

Magnet links have nothing to do with the endusers getting caught. It's just a way to get the information about the download (see above). You're still downloading (and uploading) in the same old fashion.


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Magnet links were implemented to protect PirateBay's ass.

As known, PirateBay doesn't host any of the actual content, but for the longest time, they hosted the torrent files. So now, instead of hosting the torrent files, they are hosting pointers to the torrent files. It's basically lengthening the chain that links PirateBay to the content, in attempts to end any allegations of piracy.

Magnet links have nothing to do with the endusers getting caught. It's just a way to get the information about the download (see above). You're still downloading (and uploading) in the same old fashion.
It's still early here so my mind is foggy, but if Pirate Bay is using cloud that mostly protects the content hosts correct? End users really need proxies I would assume?

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10-19-2012, 11:20 AM
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Magnet links were implemented to protect PirateBay's ass.

As known, PirateBay doesn't host any of the actual content, but for the longest time, they hosted the torrent files. So now, instead of hosting the torrent files, they are hosting pointers to the torrent files. It's basically lengthening the chain that links PirateBay to the content, in attempts to end any allegations of piracy.

Magnet links have nothing to do with the endusers getting caught. It's just a way to get the information about the download (see above). You're still downloading (and uploading) in the same old fashion.
Haven't the authorities moved away from persecuting individuals due to the public backlash (for the ridiculous penalties)?

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10-19-2012, 03:11 PM
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Magnet links were implemented to protect PirateBay's ass.

As known, PirateBay doesn't host any of the actual content, but for the longest time, they hosted the torrent files. So now, instead of hosting the torrent files, they are hosting pointers to the torrent files. It's basically lengthening the chain that links PirateBay to the content, in attempts to end any allegations of piracy.

Magnet links have nothing to do with the endusers getting caught. It's just a way to get the information about the download (see above). You're still downloading (and uploading) in the same old fashion.
Interesting. Thanks. I thought about googling it to learn, but I figure there will be some new thing on the block soon anyway

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God, I love the people who run PirateBay.

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God, I love the people who run PirateBay.
Pretty amazing to see what these guys are accomplishing without taking a single penny in return

I don't even wanna think about what a website like this would look like and be like if it was ran privately by some kind of union of all the worst companies

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This seems like as good a place as any to ask. Does using magnets really make a difference on your likelihood of getting caught? There are some computer geeks in my office arguing about it. My main downloading stopped a while ago when just downloading the torrent link was still how it happened. I don't really get how it'd be any safer or whatever.
There are tweaks, like not reporting to local trackers and whatnot, that make it pretty hard for you to get caught. I've only ever gotten 1 DMCA notice. I asked them if they wanted me a a customer, and that stopped right there. Cox, for what it's worth, isn't participating in the six strikes thing. But most of the major east coast ISPs are.

Doesn't matter. Piratebay and the new Megaupload are going to rock the RIAA/MPAA something stupid. Had they just embraced iTunes, Netflix etc... sooner and with fewer conditions, they wouldn't be fighting a tech war with pirates. It's not something they can win now. The ISPs are loving it too; they can't be held accountable anymore because all of the traffic will be encrypted.

Torrents were originally 'invented' with an eye towards avoiding legal troubles and widespread distribution. The more pushback pirates get, the more creative the solution and the harder it becomes to prosecute. Most studies show that pirates are, at times, your best customers. At worst, they are not worth your time. Seems like the media companies are busy chasing ghosts while the entire industry changes around them.

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The cloud is all about adding a layer of abstraction, and TPB is taking advantage of that to make it tougher to shut down.

Amusing to watch the corporations push harder and harder. The tech isn't going to hit a wall, it's going to continue innovating and make it harder and harder.

I personally hope that we get to the point where we have nearly address-less traffic and a truly private internet.

Anyhow, love that TPB has been at front of the piracy scene since forever and they're still driving these companies crazy.

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A lot of the issues to DMCA notices come from you uploading. If you're really worried about it you could always reroute your IP or use a VPN.

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The cloud is all about adding a layer of abstraction, and TPB is taking advantage of that to make it tougher to shut down.

Amusing to watch the corporations push harder and harder. The tech isn't going to hit a wall, it's going to continue innovating and make it harder and harder.

I personally hope that we get to the point where we have nearly address-less traffic and a truly private internet.

Anyhow, love that TPB has been at front of the piracy scene since forever and they're still driving these companies crazy.
That seems cool in 98% of cases, but once in a while you see a thing in the news about a big bust of a child porn ring or something, and I'd hate to make that kind of stuff harder to prosecute.

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That seems cool in 98% of cases, but once in a while you see a thing in the news about a big bust of a child porn ring or something, and I'd hate to make that kind of stuff harder to prosecute.
You make it sound like those things didn't occur before the internet was around. Nefarious activities like soliciting drugs, hitmen, scams, child porn etc... are the price we pay for living in a relatively free society. A more open environment can bring about positive change. The RIAA has seen revenues fall off a cliff, but the music industry as a whole continues to grow. There have been and will continue to be many attempts at devaluing or outright erasing our rights in the name of fighting child porn or piracy. But it's always just a thinly veiled attempt to protect corporate interests.

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The cloud is all about adding a layer of abstraction, and TPB is taking advantage of that to make it tougher to shut down.

Amusing to watch the corporations push harder and harder. The tech isn't going to hit a wall, it's going to continue innovating and make it harder and harder.

I personally hope that we get to the point where we have nearly address-less traffic and a truly private internet.

Anyhow, love that TPB has been at front of the piracy scene since forever and they're still driving these companies crazy.
That sure would be nice wouldn't it? Unfortunately we have the NSA.

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Magnet links are effectively brilliant, but practically a step back. Often I find myself having to force download the real file because the magnet link won't properly download the torrent information.

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Magnet links are effectively brilliant, but practically a step back. Often I find myself having to force download the real file because the magnet link won't properly download the torrent information.
uTorrent updated itself to allow you to choose the files, just takes a while sometimes to get the information. They won't download into one file now though, probably will be fixed soon.

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You make it sound like those things didn't occur before the internet was around. Nefarious activities like soliciting drugs, hitmen, scams, child porn etc... are the price we pay for living in a relatively free society. A more open environment can bring about positive change. The RIAA has seen revenues fall off a cliff, but the music industry as a whole continues to grow. There have been and will continue to be many attempts at devaluing or outright erasing our rights in the name of fighting child porn or piracy. But it's always just a thinly veiled attempt to protect corporate interests.
True, but having more and more secretive ways of being online aren't really leading to a more open environment.

I just hope we get to a point where streaming shows/sports online will allow for counting those watching for advertising purposes.

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True, but having more and more secretive ways of being online aren't really leading to a more open environment.
I'm sure Wikileaks and partipants in the Arab Spring would disagree. Seed activity has always found way to operate, internet or not. There's not much use in worrying about it.

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I just hope we get to a point where streaming shows/sports online will allow for counting those watching for advertising purposes.
They could do it, easily. Just take down the paywalls surrounding stuff like online ESPN. Run ads at certain intervals. It wouldn't be much different from how guys making money streaming games operate right now.

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I'm sure Wikileaks and partipants in the Arab Spring would disagree. Seed activity has always found way to operate, internet or not. There's not much use in worrying about it.



They could do it, easily. Just take down the paywalls surrounding stuff like online ESPN. Run ads at certain intervals. It wouldn't be much different from how guys making money streaming games operate right now.
Or put an ad banner at the top or bottom of the screen occasionally.

I still can't believe there are stupid enough people that pay to watch illegal streams when there's good quality streams for free easily available.

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Or put an ad banner at the top or bottom of the screen occasionally.

I still can't believe there are stupid enough people that pay to watch illegal streams when there's good quality streams for free easily available.
I'm not defending the pay sites but I wouldn't exactly call the free ones easily available... if they were they'd get shut down pretty quickly. If a games on in 5 minutes and your sitting down at your computer to try to watch it through a stream for the first time, it can be quite a pain in the ass to find something that actually works. 'Googling it' doesn't really even work here, in large part because there's so many pay and scam sites cluttering up your results it can take some time to filter through them.

I've found for hockey the best way to get results is to simply log into a GDT thread and ask for someone to post a stream link. Once you have a decent site to bookmark then you're good.

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You make it sound like those things didn't occur before the internet was around. Nefarious activities like soliciting drugs, hitmen, scams, child porn etc... are the price we pay for living in a relatively free society. A more open environment can bring about positive change. The RIAA has seen revenues fall off a cliff, but the music industry as a whole continues to grow. There have been and will continue to be many attempts at devaluing or outright erasing our rights in the name of fighting child porn or piracy. But it's always just a thinly veiled attempt to protect corporate interests.
Reminds me of hearing from somewhere about how pedophiles were using google maps now to see which back yards have toys in them. Is it true? Maybe. But that doesn't mean before google maps they couldn't just drive around neighbourhoods to get a look from their car, or even just scope out a park.

Kind of the same thing with child porn on the internet. The real crime is in the act of creating the stuff, this is where a child will actually be harmed. And in this regard I don't think the internet really matters that much, I believe statistically if a child is going to be molested it will be from someone they know, whether that be a relative, teacher, priest, etc. Really all the internet does is distribute the stuff at a much higher rate once it's created... much like regular porn really.

But I guess if there's one thing the internet does do on the other hand, is allow law enforcement agencies to bust child pornography on a much higher scale. Through the internet these people connect with each other, so if you crack the ring you can make some massive busts. Law enforcement on the internet is the same as real life though, there's a lot of things we could have done pre-internet to help prevent everything from general petty crime to pedophiles, but we didn't because it would infringe on basic freedoms. Just because the internet is relatively new doesn't mean the same principles shouldn't apply.

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Law enforcement on the internet is the same as real life though, there's a lot of things we could have done pre-internet to help prevent everything from general petty crime to pedophiles, but we didn't because it would infringe on basic freedoms. Just because the internet is relatively new doesn't mean the same principles shouldn't apply.
Exactly. And as criminals - pedophiles or otherwise - adjust to new technology, policing services need to as well. And of course, it doesn't mean that some of the old fashioned standard investigative techniques don't still have a place. In my opinion, blocking and restricting technology is almost never the answer, and if anything may criminalize otherwise law abiding citizens.

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Pretty amazing to see what these guys are accomplishing without taking a single penny in return
Sorry to break it to you, but they are probably making thousands, if not millions already.

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Reminds me of hearing from somewhere about how pedophiles were using google maps now to see which back yards have toys in them. Is it true? Maybe. But that doesn't mean before google maps they couldn't just drive around neighbourhoods to get a look from their car, or even just scope out a park.

Kind of the same thing with child porn on the internet. The real crime is in the act of creating the stuff, this is where a child will actually be harmed. And in this regard I don't think the internet really matters that much, I believe statistically if a child is going to be molested it will be from someone they know, whether that be a relative, teacher, priest, etc. Really all the internet does is distribute the stuff at a much higher rate once it's created... much like regular porn really.

But I guess if there's one thing the internet does do on the other hand, is allow law enforcement agencies to bust child pornography on a much higher scale. Through the internet these people connect with each other, so if you crack the ring you can make some massive busts. Law enforcement on the internet is the same as real life though, there's a lot of things we could have done pre-internet to help prevent everything from general petty crime to pedophiles, but we didn't because it would infringe on basic freedoms. Just because the internet is relatively new doesn't mean the same principles shouldn't apply.
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Exactly. And as criminals - pedophiles or otherwise - adjust to new technology, policing services need to as well. And of course, it doesn't mean that some of the old fashioned standard investigative techniques don't still have a place. In my opinion, blocking and restricting technology is almost never the answer, and if anything may criminalize otherwise law abiding citizens.
A lot of really great points!

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