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10-19-2012, 10:01 PM
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It's definitely true. Leafs don't have good center depth.

Grabovski is a good #2 center. That's fair.
Bozak is unproven. He's 26 years old now and has only topped 32 points once so far.
Connolly lost a step and put up ~0.5PPG last year
Lombardi is damaged goods. He missed an entire year due to a concussion then put up 18 points right after.
McClement is a good #4 guy.
Steckel isn't anything at all.
While I agree that the Leafs don't have good center depth, I respectfully disagree with your analysis on Bozak. He had a better PPG ratio in his rookie season then his sophomore due to a slump and then bounced back in this third year where he put up career highs (on the top line so that's somewhat inflated). But most Leaf fans will tell you he's been gradually improving every year and is far from the "unproven" tag now. It's unfair to use a moniker that he's only topped "x" amount of points once when he's only played in two full seasons so far.

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10-19-2012, 10:02 PM
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No from the Flames.

Cant afford to trade one of our top d-man unless we are getting a top 4 d-man in return.

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10-19-2012, 10:17 PM
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With the Leafs and Flames trade history I would have to say Jbo, Kipper and Iggy for Conny, Lombardi, Komisarek and Scrivens gets a deal done.

Flames should only trade with the Leafs every 20 years.

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10-20-2012, 10:13 AM
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With the Leafs and Flames trade history I would have to say Jbo, Kipper and Iggy for Conny, Lombardi, Komisarek and Scrivens gets a deal done.

Flames should only trade with the Leafs every 20 years.
we're due.

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10-20-2012, 11:32 AM
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This is bad for both sides as Toronto needs Grabo incase JVR doesn't work at center and the Flames can't move out top defenseman with out getting a huge upgrade on Cammy at center and Grabo is not that.

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10-20-2012, 11:47 AM
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Bad for the leafs. So now they're only gonna ice a bunch of third line centers or borderline second line centers? Good value, but gawd....

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10-20-2012, 12:52 PM
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Value seems fair, but neither team does this.

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10-20-2012, 12:59 PM
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Grabovski would be nice on the Flames, JBo would be nice on the Leafs, but there is no way either team trades a good player from their organizational weakness.

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10-20-2012, 03:15 PM
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Flames pass on Grabo at 5.5 million for 5 more years. I'd rather keep JBo for 2 seasons and play Cammy at Centre. The value may be there, but Grabo is not a player that will improve the Flames at this point. The Flames already have Hudler, Cervenka, Baertschi, etc... in the lineup. Grabo brings more of the same.

If the Flames are upgrading their #2 centre position, they will want a grittier player than Grabo. They'll want somebody capable of playing the PK too.
Sounds like you want tyler bozak.

also lol the first person I thought of when you described what you want was matt stajan when he was playing good.

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10-20-2012, 03:22 PM
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Both players are overpaid so I don't see that swaying the value either way.

Bouwmeester is a workhorse in Calgary and IMO the Flames need him more. Toronto arguably needs Grabovski more than the Flames do as well. Don't see the imperative from either side.

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10-22-2012, 07:53 AM
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I think Jaybo would have a slightly higher value, but Grabo is far more valuable to Toronto considering their strength on D and weakness at C

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10-22-2012, 09:14 AM
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Boumeester for Grabovski. Flames are lacking actual top 6 centers, and so are we but we also need dmen.
Not going to put a Flames roster as I would have no clue to it.

Lupul-Connolly/Bozak-Kessel
JVR-Kadri-MacArthur
Frattin-Bozak/Connolly-Kulemin
Brown-McClement-D'Amigo/Devane

Phaneuf-Boumeester
Gardiner-Gunnarson
Liles-Holzer

Deal?
Since the Leafs have 8 NHL d-men, lets tweak this a little.

Grabovski & Komisarek for Bouwmeester & Max Reinhart.

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10-22-2012, 09:26 AM
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No from the Flames.

Cant afford to trade one of our top d-man unless we are getting a top 4 d-man in return.
Gardiner, Lombardi for Bouwmeester? The cap would be an issue but you get a top 4 D-man.

JayBo provides a pretty big need for Toronto since he has the speed to hussle back and (from what i've seen in limited showings) is great positionally which is what Phaneuf really needs.

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10-22-2012, 10:17 AM
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Since the Leafs have 8 NHL d-men, lets tweak this a little.

Grabovski & Komisarek for Bouwmeester & Max Reinhart.
Nice try getting rid of Komisarek but the deal makes no sense in the first place. There is no tweaking it.

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10-22-2012, 11:19 AM
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Since the Leafs have 8 NHL d-men, lets tweak this a little.

Grabovski & Komisarek for Bouwmeester & Max Reinhart.
Sorry, but the last time we gave away a good but slightly overpaid defenseman and a solid prospect for the Leafs' scraps it led to our GM getting fired. Don't see it happening again.

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10-22-2012, 11:23 AM
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wow, the leafs centers 1-4 are a joke if you make that trade hahah.

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10-22-2012, 12:12 PM
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I like the idea of it, but Grabo is a fringe top 30 C. 35-40 range, with a fair contract.

Jay-B is a bit overpaid, no secret, and hasn't had as much success recently with the Flames.

But I think he is the only available option to actually improve our D.

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10-23-2012, 11:39 AM
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pffffffffffffffft I'd take Grabo over Jbo any day. We need him, He's been our most consistant player, and much more consistant than jbo the last few years. The kid is a beast.

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10-23-2012, 11:49 AM
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An overpayed D-man for an over payed center.
I say the Leafs win because the overpayed player their are getting contract runs out in two yrs while the overpayed player they are giving up still has 5 yrs left on his.
You're just still angry we poached Grabovski from Montreal for a mere 2'nd rounder and he turned out to be one of the best 2nd line Cs in the NHL.

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10-23-2012, 03:39 PM
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This is funny. Fans of both sides think it's absolutely horrible for their team. Grabovski's a 2c and Bouwmeester is a top-2 pairing dman. Both teams say no.

Leafs say no because it leaves a big hole at center.

Calgary says no because it isn't fair value, and Grabovski's contract is outrageous.

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10-23-2012, 06:53 PM
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not sure why the flames who are very thin on defense man in the system trade away their #1. Or why the leafs are looking to trade a top 6 forward to add even more defensemen...

I would say if Calgary and Toronto were to trade, Calgary sends a forward Toronto sends a defense man.


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10-23-2012, 07:34 PM
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Seems like Calgary wins big to me
Bouwmeester doesn't beat out Franson with the last years he has had.

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10-23-2012, 08:11 PM
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No thanks.
If the Leafs agreed , Calgary would take it and run..

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10-23-2012, 08:21 PM
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If the Leafs agreed , Calgary would take it and run..
Yea it would be great to score 5 goals a game and let in 6 with only one top 2 defenseman.

Seriously this doesn't fill the needs for either team and takes away from both weaknesses.

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10-23-2012, 08:29 PM
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I was expecting the OP to be a Flames fan. Certainly not a Leafs fan.

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