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10-23-2012, 07:34 AM
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I got in a long discussion (if that's what you can call it) on the main board's Luongo thread last night, and the Vancouver guys, many of whom are incredibly thin-skinned and have serious reading comprehension problems, are expecting a King's ransom for Roberto, something on the order of Kulemin, Kadri and a first or more. They think Burke is desperate to make the playoffs and that Luongo automatically guarantees that. So they are like kids waiting for Santa to deliver the goodies. I trust Burke to disappoint them. He'd better anyway.

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10-23-2012, 07:46 AM
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I got in a long discussion (if that's what you can call it) on the main board's Luongo thread last night, and the Vancouver guys, many of whom are incredibly thin-skinned and have serious reading comprehension problems, are expecting a King's ransom for Roberto, something on the order of Kulemin, Kadri and a first or more. They think Burke is desperate to make the playoffs and that Luongo automatically guarantees that. So they are like kids waiting for Santa to deliver the goodies. I trust Burke to disappoint them. He'd better anyway.
And I thought Philly fans were annoying back when I was visiting the Flyers forum during the infamous offer sheet to Shea Weber. These Vancouver clowns are even worse. I swear to God, Luongo can't get traded somewhere other than Toronto fast enough. Only then will all the trolling Canucks fans slink back to their own board.

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10-23-2012, 07:54 AM
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Vancouver is a NOW team, while a first round pick is attractive, it does not address their immediate needs. This deal is more about getting rid of the cap hit of Luongo, and getting the best they can get back in a deal, from a limited market. They want players who can play now. MacArthur, Kulemin, Lupul, Frattin are probably all people Vancouver might ask for. People who can fit in their #2/3 lines, provide some secondary scoring, at decent cap hits... Franson too might be a target.

One of the challenges here, is determining exactly what Vancouver wants, or needs. Had the season started, you could argue that they would have wanted a 2/3 Center, to replace Kesler while he mended... Depending on the length of the lockout, he could very well be 100% healthy, and the need might change. Let us suppose this lockout goes until sometime next summer... look at their UFA's...what are the needs then? What would we have left to trade that also isn't UFA?

Kadri, MacA/Franson, 2013 2nd round pick.


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10-23-2012, 12:20 PM
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Kadri, MacA/Franson, 2013 2nd round pick.
And if Kadri is a third as successful as Cherry thinks he will be, even if Luongo ekes the Leafs into bottom-rung playoff spot, the trade will blow up in Burke's face. After all the time they have invested in bringing Kadri along, I can't see the Leafs trading him until the team sees the kind of contribution he could make. I just don't think a team trades its only elite forward prospect for a goalie whose best days are almost certainly behind him.

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10-23-2012, 12:27 PM
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And if Kadri is a third as successful as Cherry thinks he will be, even if Luongo ekes the Leafs into bottom-rung playoff spot, the trade will blow up in Burke's face. After all the time they have invested in bringing Kadri along, I can't see the Leafs trading him until the team sees the kind of contribution he could make. I just don't think a team trades its only elite forward prospect for a goalie whose best days are almost certainly behind him.
I agree. We spent three years developing Kadri. It would be dumb to trade him now. He needs one full season in the NHL to get his feet wet. Then the following season I can see him breaking out.

Yo-yoing him back and forth won't help. He needs time to develop chemistry.

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And if Kadri is a third as successful as Cherry thinks he will be, even if Luongo ekes the Leafs into bottom-rung playoff spot, the trade will blow up in Burke's face. After all the time they have invested in bringing Kadri along, I can't see the Leafs trading him until the team sees the kind of contribution he could make. I just don't think a team trades its only elite forward prospect for a goalie whose best days are almost certainly behind him.
We aren't going to get Luongo for free.. Kadri is a prospect at this point... nothing more, maybe he'll be really good, or not. Sometimes you have to take risks. I'm not sure how we would conclude that Luongo's best days are "certainly" behind him...we've seen many goalies play very well into their late 30's.

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We aren't going to get Luongo for free.. Kadri is a prospect at this point... nothing more, maybe he'll be really good, or not. Sometimes you have to take risks. I'm not sure how we would conclude that Luongo's best days are "certainly" behind him...we've seen many goalies play very well into their late 30's.
I'd rather put in Ashton than Kadri. But I'd still prefer not to trade for Luongo in general.

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10-23-2012, 12:38 PM
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Ashton + D'Amigo + 2nd rounder (2013) for Luongo.

Kadri stays.

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Pierre on the radio said this morning that the Leafs should really think of Gardiner for Luongo.

He stressed "I didn't say do it" but he did say they should really think about it.

Vancouver would be so lucky.

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Pierre on the radio said this morning that the Leafs should really think of Gardiner for Luongo.

He stressed "I didn't say do it" but he did say they should really think about it.

Vancouver would be so lucky.
Just no. Gardiner is has soooooooooo much upside.

Komisarek+Connolly+Lombardi+Deschamp for Luongo take it or leave it.

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Pierre on the radio said this morning that the Leafs should really think of Gardiner for Luongo.

He stressed "I didn't say do it" but he did say they should really think about it.

Vancouver would be so lucky.
That's funny. He would no doubt get on the radio the next day and **** all over the team for making a trade like that.

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We aren't going to get Luongo for free.. Kadri is a prospect at this point... nothing more, maybe he'll be really good, or not. Sometimes you have to take risks. I'm not sure how we would conclude that Luongo's best days are "certainly" behind him...we've seen many goalies play very well into their late 30's.
And as much as Canuck fans would have you think, Burke isn't going to give up a king's ransom. The proposals from Leaf fans seem much more realistic then what Vancouver fans are thinking.

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Pierre on the radio said this morning that the Leafs should really think of Gardiner for Luongo.

He stressed "I didn't say do it" but he did say they should really think about it.

Vancouver would be so lucky.
Critical thinking isn't required to say no to such an awful deal.

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Pierre on the radio said this morning that the Leafs should really think of Gardiner for Luongo.

He stressed "I didn't say do it" but he did say they should really think about it.

Vancouver would be so lucky.
Pierre... McGuire, right?

Because that doesn't sound like something a credible 'Pierre' would say.

IE., Pierre LeBrun.

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I was on the Van boards until about 3 am chatting with a couple people. Well, they were tolerable. hehe

They want Finn, Bozak, Frattin and our first. That seems to be the consensus if Gardiner is off the table.

Many were happy with that, but most weren't. They seem to think MG has Burke bent over a barrel.

I am having a change of heart. I like bozie and Frattin. This Finn kid is starting to look like a draft steal of big proportions. And who knows where our first will end up being. Lou is a great goalie, but he is also 33. He has a habit of crapping the bed about every 8 games or so.

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Pierre... McGuire, right?

Because that doesn't sound like something a credible 'Pierre' would say.

IE., Pierre LeBrun.
Had to be Lebrun, Macquire is irritating, but not stupid.

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Pierre on the radio said this morning that the Leafs should really think of Gardiner for Luongo.

He stressed "I didn't say do it" but he did say they should really think about it.

Vancouver would be so lucky.


Pfft lol


Trade a defensemen we could have for the next 10-15 years to get a goalie we'll for 3 to 5 tops.

Ok Pierre.

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I got in a long discussion (if that's what you can call it) on the main board's Luongo thread last night, and the Vancouver guys, many of whom are incredibly thin-skinned and have serious reading comprehension problems, are expecting a King's ransom for Roberto, something on the order of Kulemin, Kadri and a first or more. They think Burke is desperate to make the playoffs and that Luongo automatically guarantees that. So they are like kids waiting for Santa to deliver the goodies. I trust Burke to disappoint them. He'd better anyway.

Some of them are hilarious.
When I would agree with something they would say, they would attack me over it. So they would start to argue against the point they were trying to make 2 minutes earlier. I got a solid hour of lols doing this.

Pretty sure some of them are just really young or something.

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I was on the Van boards until about 3 am chatting with a couple people. Well, they were tolerable. hehe


They want Finn, Bozak, Frattin and our first. That seems to be the consensus if Gardiner is off the table.


Many were happy with that, but most weren't. They seem to think MG has Burke bent over a barrel.

I am having a change of heart. I like bozie and Frattin. This Finn kid is starting to look like a draft steal of big proportions. And who knows where our first will end up being. Lou is a great goalie, but he is also 33. He has a habit of crapping the bed about every 8 games or so.
Still way too much.

What Vancover fans don't realize is we don't need Luongo especially with that contract. We're doing them a favor, So they don't have a media circus around the starting goaltender that deraills their whole season, Like they seemed to do for the past few seasons. Also let's not forget, Vingnault pulled Luongo in the first round elimination games against L.A, So it's crystal clear on who he has more confidence in.

So for them to be demanding an king's Ransom is ludacris. There's more than likely other goalies who could be had a much more reduced prices than the one Van fans are asking for Luongo, And won't have huge circumventing deals which with certain CBA tweaks teams may get stuck with the full cap hit of the contracts even after the player has retired.

The main reason some of them are being so unreasonable is cause we're Toronto. So if they want to send him some where else cause they seem to have teams lined up out the door for him(Or so I hear) Then I hope Mike Gillis doesn't waste anytime and moves him so we can be done with this.

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Gardiner is more important to us if we want to win a championship than Luongo. Yes Luongo increases our chances of making the playoffs more than Gards does at this point, but even with him we won't be a contender. We are a few years away from being a contender and I'm not sure how good Lu will be by then. Gardiner is a piece you give up if you're getting back a piece that puts you over the top. There will be other opportunities to pick up a good goaltender, perhaps next summer if Backstrom becomes a free agent. If Lu comes for a very reasonable price then you'd be stupid to not consider the deal, but there is no rule saying he will be the only goalie available ever again and we must trade for him.

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This is a really interesting thread from both perspectives. I wonder this - if Burke does not trade for Luongo and the Leafs don't make the playoffs largely because of weak goaltending, does he get fired ?

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This is a really interesting thread from both perspectives. I wonder this - if Burke does not trade for Luongo and the Leafs don't make the playoffs largely because of weak goaltending, does he get fired ?
If the Leafs don't make the playoffs for any reason he should be fired.

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This is a really interesting thread from both perspectives. I wonder this - if Burke does not trade for Luongo and the Leafs don't make the playoffs largely because of weak goaltending, does he get fired ?
I would hope so, but not likely. He would only have one year left on his contract as GM and President. It would cost MLSE more money to find a temporary guy short term but more in the long run to fill to jobs....unless they could find a guy that could do both. But that is not likely.

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The Gards, 1st, kadri/ashton/biggs/finn guy. (ya'all know who i mean)


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Holy **** same feelings here. Can't stand that guy. Honestly, all of them at this point are acting really arrogant right now. In no universe does Luongo return a first or a top prospect, let alone both and/or more.

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I rather trade with the Wild for Nicklas.

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