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10-20-2012, 02:33 PM
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im all for it as long as none of:

Kessel, Rielly, Gardiner, Phaneuf, Lupul, Gunnarsson, Grabovski, JVR or our 1st (unless its top 10 protected) is included. There is no reason why Luongo will return any players of that calibre, especially considering Tallon's hesitation to deal Bjugstad marking the cieling of his value. Heck, id be hestitant to even include Kulemin in any deals.
Kadri + top 10 protected 1st + Lombardi(cap dump) for Luongo would be a satisfactory return, imo.

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Lou for Reimer straight up.

We take on his contract - they get a solid back up until Lack is ready.

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10-20-2012, 02:55 PM
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Kadri + top 10 protected 1st + Lombardi(cap dump) for Luongo would be a satisfactory return, imo..
That would be something id consider, wed have

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
MacArthur - Grabovski - JVR
Kulemin - McClement - Frattin
Kamarov - Steckel - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - Komisarek
Liles - Franson/Holzer

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We'd be a #1 C (hopefully solved by a top 10 pick), a Top 4 D (Rielly, Percy, Blacker, Finn) and a #2 LW away from being a contender IMO.

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10-20-2012, 03:02 PM
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Kadri + top 10 protected 1st + Lombardi(cap dump) for Luongo would be a satisfactory return, imo.
Ok, but only if the return is Joe LaBate, Brendan Gaunce,a 2nd rd pick and Louie, then you can have a protected 1st, Lombo, Franson and Rynnas . And that makes about as much sense as your proposal....

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10-20-2012, 03:06 PM
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That would be something id consider, wed have

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
MacArthur - Grabovski - JVR
Kulemin - McClement - Frattin
Kamarov - Steckel - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Gardiner - Komisarek
Liles - Franson/Holzer

Luongo
Reimer

We'd be a #1 C (hopefully solved by a top 10 pick), a Top 4 D (Rielly, Percy, Blacker, Finn) and a #2 LW away from being a contender IMO.
If Kulemin bounces back he'd be a pretty decent 2nd line left winger.

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10-20-2012, 03:13 PM
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If Kulemin bounces back he'd be a pretty decent 2nd line left winger.
Very true, but Kulemin on the 3rd line can be one of the best shutdown wingers in the game, would be able to play a Callahan role for the Leafs.

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10-20-2012, 03:14 PM
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Kadri + top 10 protected 1st + Lombardi(cap dump) for Luongo would be a satisfactory return, imo.
hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa


who the hell would trade that for mr. chokercrappycontract

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Kadri + top 10 protected 1st + Lombardi(cap dump) for Luongo would be a satisfactory return, imo.
...I laughed.

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I think anyone who wants to trade another 1st for Luongo is off their rocker.
Agreed. Atleast, I hope Burke doesn't.

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Kadri + top 10 protected 1st + Lombardi(cap dump) for Luongo would be a satisfactory return, imo.
Just stop, please.

Lombardi only has 1 year on his deal.

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10-20-2012, 03:22 PM
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hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa


who the hell would trade that for mr. chokercrappycontract
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Just stop, please.

Lombardi only has 1 year on his deal. If you want a Kadri, you better take on Komisarek.
If you guys don't think you'd be better of with a Vezina calibre goalie than Kadri and a mid-1st, then you may as well drop out of the Luongo sweepstakes.

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10-20-2012, 03:22 PM
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Gillis will be clapping his hands if Burke relented on a Grabo + Gunnarson type of deal for Luongo, the other deals proposed in this thread he is more apt to saving for Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan opportunity if it arises later on in the season.

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10-20-2012, 03:23 PM
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Can we please suck for one more year. Lets get a real #1 or #2 pick after the season, than get a goalie.

Hopefully that player can be a stud #1C, with Kessel leading the O. Kadri/Lups/Grabs as depth offensive guys. On D we will have Reilly, Gardiner, Phaneuf on D. Than you can get a solid Goalie and be competitive for years.

We get Luongo now, we still have a huge whole to be fix and are nothing more than a treadmill team. The worst place to be in sports.

Lets either suck or go for greatness.

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10-20-2012, 03:27 PM
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If you guys don't think you'd be better of with a Vezina calibre goalie than Kadri and a mid-1st, then you may as well drop out of the Luongo sweepstakes.
Vancouver isn't getting a 1st for Luongo. They'll get a couple of B prospects and a 2nd to have the opportunity to dump a MASSIVE contract that is impairing their ability to improve and compete for years. Don't pretend as if the entire league is clueless as to the situation in Vancouver - we all know Luongo is a burden, not some magnificent asset that you would happily keep on your books for years.

Furthermore, he isn't young, has not really performed Vezina-like in the NHL games that truly matter, isn't mentally capable of tolerating what the Toronto media will throw at him, etc. As a Leaf fan, I'll take him just to get back into the playoffs. But not for high end picks and prospects. Van can have Kadri. Not the 1st - because a "mid-1st" is never that simple.

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10-20-2012, 03:31 PM
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Vancouver isn't getting a 1st for Luongo. They'll get a couple of B prospects and a 2nd to have the opportunity to dump a MASSIVE contract that is impairing their ability to improve and compete for years.

Furthermore, he isn't young, has not really performed Vezina-like in the NHL games that truly matter, isn't mentally capable of tolerating what the Toronto media will throw at him, etc. As a Leaf fan, I'll take him just to get back into the playoffs. But not for high end picks and prospects. Van can have Kadri. Not the 1st - because a "mid-1st" is never that simple.
The 1st was conditional on it being later than 10th.(or it would become a 2nd) So at the very worst it would be a mid 1st.

And Luongo winning Olympic gold, or getting 2 shutouts in the SCFs don't really count for much, I guess.

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10-20-2012, 03:36 PM
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Kadri + top 10 protected 1st + Lombardi(cap dump) for Luongo would be a satisfactory return, imo.
Kadri, Hamilton, Blacker and 1st.
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Luongo, B.Sweatt, Alex Mallet and 1st.

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If you guys don't think you'd be better of with a Vezina calibre goalie than Kadri and a mid-1st, then you may as well drop out of the Luongo sweepstakes.
Burke would rather pass on that, then watch Gillis squirm all year as another Goaltending controversy brews in Vancouver while they spend an access of 9.33M of capspace on 2 Goaltenders. Yeah, I think I would like this too, sounds like fun. Mike isn't the most likable person and neither are the Canucks and their fanbase for that matter.

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Kadri, Hamilton, Blacker and 1st.
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Luongo, B.Sweatt, Alex Mallet and 1st.
He can rot in the minors for all I care, after his refusal to sign with us after the Versteeg deal.

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Kadri, Hamilton, Blacker and 1st.
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Seems like too many pieces, to me. I'm leaning towards no, simply because swapping 1sts isn't enough value imo. Blacker is a decent prospect, I don't know much about Hamilton.

I don't think adding prospects from both sides is the way to go.

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Kadri, Hamilton, Blacker and 1st.
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Luongo, B.Sweatt, Alex Mallet and 1st.
Gillis's window to win the Cup is now, think he wants more immediate help than that package. None of these guys are ready to be factors for the Cup this year or even next year.

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He can rot in the minors for all I care, after his refusal to sign with us after the Versteeg deal.
Payback could be sweat though.

Kind of like Erixxon's situation in Columbus.

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Gillis's window to win the Cup is now, think he wants more immediate help than that package. None of these guys are ready to be factors for the Cup this year or even next year.
You don't think Kadri is ready to play in the NHL?

Well could always have Connolly instead of Hamilton.

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Take last years goalie stats on the leafs, the GAA and PK. Replace those stats with that of Lou, and you are telling me the Leafs arent a better team? GAA, PK, SV% are all things that the leafs have to address, no question, A number one center isnt nearly as important as addressing goaltending, not even close.
That was the same logic some applied to the Toskala transaction in believing his SJ numbers were transferable at par to the Leafs team thereby believing the goaltending was about to be improved.

Applying the stats from a President's trophy team to a bottom 5 team and expecting the results to be similar for the player under two vastly different scenarios might open you up for disappointment if you believe they're transferable at par.

Vancouver is trading Luongo because they believe he is not the answer to winning the Stanley Cup for them, but in turn Leafs should believe he is the answer for them?

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You don't think Kadri is ready to play in the NHL?

Well could always have Connolly instead of Hamilton.
You know who is? The guy who had 2 assists yesterday. And no, it wasn't my idea that his name came up in the Luongo deal when I mentioned it yesterday. That was the name I heard. Have to say it makes alot of sense if it is true. I added Gunnarson to the deal, think it makes more sense than Blacker or another B defence prospect IMO. Maybe Burkie can even get Schroeder out of there, his development has been only so so, but it would fit Burke's angle of trading for past 1sts.

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Lu has some solid years left.

Leaf fans cant wait for CHI/LA/PITT/EDM type rebuild

Leafs will be ready for a push in 2 - 3 years

I wouldn't object, if it didnt uproot the future.(by taking our youth or handcuffing us financially)

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This trade will go down as being worse than Rask for Raycroft - Toskala for Couture.

Mark my words.

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You know who is? The guy who had 2 assists yesterday. And no, it wasn't my idea that his name came up in the Luongo deal when I mentioned it yesterday. That was the name I heard. Have to say it makes alot of sense if it is true. I added Gunnarson to the deal, think it makes more sense than Blacker or another B defence prospect IMO. Maybe Burkie can even get Schroeder out of there, his development has been only so so, but it would fit Burke's angle of trading for past 1sts.
I thought about Schroeder, but he's a smurf.

Canucks have enough NHL defenders for their current NHL team, they don't need Gunnarsson.

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