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10-20-2012, 04:20 PM
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Lu has some solid years left.

Leaf fans cant wait for CHI/LA/PITT/EDM type rebuild

Leafs will be ready for a push in 2 - 3 years

I wouldn't object, if it didnt uproot the future.(by taking our youth or handcuffing us financially)
Luongo is 32, so if we're looking at 2-3 years down the road he's the wrong guy to target. Should stay with the current Leafs' goalies and hope when they are 26-28 they are ready. Reimer's 24, Owuya is 23, so if there is nothing to be concerned about in the next couple years then just let the team develop.

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I thought about Schroeder, but he's a smurf.

Canucks have enough NHL defenders for their current NHL team, they don't need Gunnarsson.
Yeah, we have one too many Smurfs and Americans, take your pick on the team already. Just kidding....Though we would be giving up one, so it is a saw off. Disagree about the Nucks not needing D depth, their d is not deep enough after Edler, not crazy about Ballard either, Gunnar would be an upgrade at 5 on that D. He's a Swede too, the Nucks love their Swedes and or euros. Loss of Salo and or Ehrhoff depleted depth.

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10-20-2012, 04:22 PM
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That was the same logic some applied to the Toskala transaction in believing his SJ numbers were transferable at par to the Leafs team thereby believing the goaltending was about to be improved.

Applying the stats from a President's trophy team to a bottom 5 team and expecting the results to be similar for the player under two vastly different scenarios might open you up for disappointment if you believe they're transferable at par.

Vancouver is trading Luongo because they believe he is not the answer to winning the Stanley Cup for them, but in turn Leafs should believe he is the answer for them?
I agree with the first two parts of your post. When it comes to the bolded section, if you have to goalies who you believe are of equal talent, you keep the younger cheaper goalie. Correct?

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10-20-2012, 04:28 PM
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I agree with the first two parts of your post. When it comes to the bolded section, if you have to goalies who you believe are of equal talent, you keep the younger cheaper goalie. Correct?
Considering where the Leafs are in their rebuild, maybe they should be targetting Lack.

Yes, from the Canucks perspective Luongo is redundant.

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10-20-2012, 04:29 PM
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Considering where the Leafs are in their rebuild, maybe they should be targetting Lack.

Yes, from the Canucks perspective Luongo is redundant.
He does dance you know.

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10-20-2012, 04:31 PM
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The Canucks have much less leverage than Gillis has hypnotized the fans into.
I have said the exact same thing and I think Gillis is doing the exact same thing Scott Howson did. He said multiple times he wanted an A+ paclage of players and prospects for Rick Nash, along with saying he won't trade him until he gets that type of deal. Just like Gillis has said about Luongo. Plus Howson didn't care if Nash started training camp with the Blue Jackets. Even though Luongo said he would report to training camp and Gillis doesn't mind, I don't think he really wants to. I see it as saying the right things to the media. However in the end we know that never happened with the type of players and prospects Howson got and I can see the same thing happening to Mike Gillis.

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10-20-2012, 04:50 PM
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Damien Cox: Lockout Doesn't End Luongo Speculation

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Yes, the Leafs remain very much interested in securing the services of Luongo, and the talks are very much alive. It's believed Leaf GM Brian Burke and his Vancouver counterpart Mike Gillis spoke as recently as two weeks ago, at which time the Canucks demands were reduced from the bounty they requested at the draft, but not enough for the Leafs to agree to anything.

At the draft, reports indicated Vancouver asked for centre Tyler Bozak, defenceman Jake Gardiner, a first round pick and winger Matt Frattin in exchange for the 33-year-old Luongo. The Leafs had no interest in paying that kind of price, largely because there is no significant market for the services of the veteran goaltender.

The Leafs, however, have only James Reimer on their NHL roster, and he's a goalie in search of bounce-back season himself. So they have a definite need for quality veteran goaltending and the Canucks need to get Luongo out-of-town.

So talks have continued on and off, with Bozak as the centre-piece. Vancouver believes Bozak would be a good fit as their No. 3 centre behind Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler. The Leafs might be willing to pay more than Bozak, but how much more is unclear.

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10-20-2012, 04:56 PM
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I would happily give Bozak+franson+2nd for Luongo.

The issue has always been how much we would pay for him, not so much the contract and the length. Contracts can be dealt with, im not giving gardiner for luongo.

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33 year old goalie with good numbers but a questionable reputation, owed over $53m dollars.....and without many suitors.

The canucks will not get anywhere near the value gillis initially asked for or canuck fans currently suggest.

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I would happily give Bozak+franson+2nd for Luongo.

The issue has always been how much we would pay for him, not so much the contract and the length. Contracts can be dealt with, im not giving gardiner for luongo.
this kind of package makes sense.

3 quality but secondary young parts or something like it.

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10-20-2012, 04:57 PM
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Sportsnet John Shannon: Luongo will be traded to Leafs

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However, I have been told that the next time Roberto Luongo plays in the NHL, he will play for the Toronto Maple Leafs. It is from a reputable source. End of story.

I do not know who or what he will be traded for, and believe it or not, I don’t think general managers Mike Gillis and Brian Burke know either. The rules of any new collective bargaining agreement will dictate the actual transaction.

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10-20-2012, 05:06 PM
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Even Florida fans, who are in a much better goaltending position than TO, were willing to do a deal like Petrovic(top defensive prospect), Matthias(3rd line C), and a 1st round pick.

Oilers fans were willing to do something around Hemsky(top-6 winger, slightly injury prone) and either a 1st or MPS.

I don't see how Burke thinks he's able to get a chance at Luongo if he only offers Franson + Steckel + Komisarek, or such nonsense.

Is any one else seeing this ? ahaha


First off, unless you're gillis in disguise and somehow know what every team has offered vancouver ( it doesn't matter what the fans offer) , then i don't see how you come up with all this .. But if the Florida offered such a great offer, why haven't you guys taken it ?


I never said Franson speckle and komiserek.. i said MacA +2nd plus choice between bozak and franson..

what you say though is two of the following is what you want.. 1st, Kulemin, JVR.. that right there is nonsense.


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10-20-2012, 05:09 PM
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Even Florida fans, who are in a much better goaltending position than TO, were willing to do a deal like Petrovic(top defensive prospect), Matthias(3rd line C), and a 1st round pick.

Oilers fans were willing to do something around Hemsky(top-6 winger, slightly injury prone) and either a 1st or MPS.
No they are not. I have shown you before, but Oiler fans are much harsher in their stand/viewpoint towards Luongo than Leaf fans. Majority of Oiler fans are offering less, and I bet it's the same case with Panther fans.

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10-20-2012, 05:12 PM
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LOOOOL at gillis wanting jake, tyler, 1st and matt... What a joke

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10-20-2012, 05:17 PM
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This whole thread is a joke.

Lou is a joke.

His contract is a joke.

Leaf Fans wanting to mortgage the future AGAIN is a joke.

Believing that Lou is going to take this team from the basement to promised land is a joke. In his prime he couldnt' do it with a similar lottery roster in Florida - why on earth anyone thinks he can do it now is simply lunacy.

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This whole thread is a joke.

Lou is a joke.

His contract is a joke.

Leaf Fans wanting to mortgage the future AGAIN is a joke.

Believing that Lou is going to take this team from the basement to promised land is a joke. In his prime he couldnt' do it with a similar lottery roster in Florida - why on earth anyone thinks he can do it now is simply lunacy.
I know man, it makes me sick the guys who are willing to waste all this time we have spend on Kadri for basically a rental goalie.

We haven't even given kadri a legitimate shot at what he was projected to be... if we were going to trade him.. the time was 2 years ago.. not now after we wasted all this time developing him.

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looks like we will finally get real goalie.
he will be good for at least the next 7 years
Stanley cup type of goalie

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10-20-2012, 05:29 PM
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Why wouldn't Florida want Luongo? He takes them closer to the cap floor, and we pay part of his salary. I'd rather Luongo go to Florida for free than to Toronto for Franson's rights and Komisarek, etc.

That said, there are other teams interested, and if Burke's offers are similar to the one's here, I don't see him getting Luongo.
Because they have the world's best goalie porospect. They don't need Luongo.

And Luongo makes more cash than cap hit. Not good for a team in the red,.

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Is any one else seeing this ? ahaha


First off, unless you're gillis in disguise and somehow know what every team has offered vancouver ( it doesn't matter what the fans offer) , then i don't see how you come up with all this .. But if the Florida offered such a great offer, why haven't you guys taken it ?


I never said Franson speckle and komiserek.. i said MacA +2nd plus choice between bozak and franson..

what you say though is two of the following is what you want.. 1st, Kulemin, JVR.. that right there is nonsense.
Kadri, not JVR.
And Franson and a 2nd are quite frankly useless to us. Bozak may have some use, but is not by himslef enough. Macarthur would join the ranks of Higgins, Hansen, Raymond, etc as a 2-3 line tweener.

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No they are not. I have shown you before, but Oiler fans are much harsher in their stand/viewpoint towards Luongo than Leaf fans. Majority of Oiler fans are offering less, and I bet it's the same case with Panther fans.
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I hate this whole "we aren't going to compete for another 3 years" mentality a lot of Oiler fans seem to have. We have been saying that as a fanbase since we drafted Hall.

At some point we have to make moves to make our roster better now. Luongo would be a very nice fit in Edmonton. Provided that we can move Dubnyk in a seperate deal, I would make a serious offer for him.

Tambo would be smart to offer up one of MPS/Gagner/Hemsky as a starting point and building a package around that depending on which player Vancouver prefers.
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I for one see Lu as a really good goalie. I would def do Gagner and MPS only if we could find a 2 line center for another team/another trade or Hallsy can play center (unlikely) Our center depth would be brutal.

Maybe a 3 way trade to get a 2 line center
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10-20-2012, 05:36 PM
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I don't want Luongo. If Reimer/Scrivens **** the bed, we get a top draft pick. Isn't that the point of everyone here wanting to tank?

The Leafs aren't in a position to add Luongo. He'll only make the draft pick worse. And they'll won't be a cup contender with him.

Canuck fans think we desperately need Luongo because Reimer and Scrivens are crap. Isn't that what I hear "Tanking" is all about? I'm confused by this double-standard.


Remember, Luongo put up terrific numbers in Florida and never took them to the playoffs once.

I believe with better goaltending the Leafs can compete no doubt, but Luongo's contract will haunt us down the road.

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Because they have the world's best goalie porospect. They don't need Luongo.

And Luongo makes more cash than cap hit. Not good for a team in the red,.
The new CBA allows teams to pay part of the salary of traded players. So that's good news for Florida. And so what if they have the world's best goalie prospect? They jump-start their competitiveness, then relegate Luongo to backup whenever they want. As a cap floor team, Luongo at a slashed salary is great for them.

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The new CBA allows teams to pay part of the salary of traded players. So that's good news for Florida. And so what if they have the world's best goalie prospect? They jump-start their competitiveness, then relegate Luongo to backup whenever they want. As a cap floor team, Luongo at a slashed salary is great for them.
What? It hasn't been signed yet. Talk about wishful thinking.

How do you know that will be part of the new CBA?

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LOOOOL at gillis wanting jake, tyler, 1st and matt... What a joke
Any GM to read that would have to laugh in his face, I dont see how you could contain it.

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What? It hasn't been signed yet. Talk about wishful thinking.

How do you know that will be part of the new CBA?


Fine. Although for the entire offseason people were saying Luongo's cap hit would count against the team he's traded to even after he retires, so his value is super low. Now that we finally make progress, and in the proposed CBA the only thing that changes Luongo's value is positive, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

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