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10-20-2012, 07:46 PM
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I don't understand why STL fans think Berglund is untouchable. If you are lucky he gets 45 points and is a 48.7% FO. What is so great about him. He is like a Horcoff in EDM a 3rd line player.
Well then be glad we're ignorant and want to keep our version of Horcoff.

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10-20-2012, 07:49 PM
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I don't understand why STL fans think Berglund is untouchable. If you are lucky he gets 45 points and is a 48.7% FO. What is so great about him. He is like a Horcoff in EDM a 3rd line player.
You seem to not have seen him play much. Berglund is a much better player then the stat sheet has shown. Berglund has scored 52 points in the past and still has the potential to get 60 plus points. The Blues also have not replacement for Berglund. Berglund is the Blues 2nd line center plain and simple. If we are not receiving a better center in return then we cannot trade him.

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10-20-2012, 07:52 PM
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Good trade value, bad teams to make the trade.

Fill one hole, open another.

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10-20-2012, 08:29 PM
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I don't understand why STL fans think Berglund is untouchable. If you are lucky he gets 45 points and is a 48.7% FO. What is so great about him. He is like a Horcoff in EDM a 3rd line player.
It's not that we think he's untouchable, it's simply that we don't have much in the way of centermen. He's a 6'4" center with good defensive capabilities, so that's why we like him in St. Louis. But if you look at our team, we have 2 or 3 true NHL centermen with very little in the way of prospects to replace any of them. That's why Blues fans want him, not because he's some stud that comes once in a lifetime, but because we don't have anything better. We're not saying no to the trade because we feel Berglunds vastly superior, we just don't have any replacement if we get rid of him

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10-20-2012, 08:33 PM
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Good trade value, bad teams to make the trade.

Fill one hole, open another.
This exactly. I would be excited to add Gio to the team but we can't trade a center to get him. If that is what the Flames want or him we would politely decline as it would leave a bigger whole on the team then the one being filled as the value is good for both. It's not like the Blues are bad at left d with Jackman, Russell, Cole.

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10-20-2012, 08:35 PM
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I don't understand why STL fans think Berglund is untouchable. If you are lucky he gets 45 points and is a 48.7% FO. What is so great about him. He is like a Horcoff in EDM a 3rd line player.
No need to bash Berglund as Blues fans are saying its a fair deal just not one we can make. You should really try watching a player more than a couple games before making comments about their play.

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10-20-2012, 08:45 PM
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I don't understand why STL fans think Berglund is untouchable. If you are lucky he gets 45 points and is a 48.7% FO. What is so great about him. He is like a Horcoff in EDM a 3rd line player.
No one said he's untouchable...

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10-21-2012, 01:41 AM
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Well he basically is untouchable. Unless we are getting a better two-way centre coming back...it just isn't happening. That pretty much eliminates every team who would be interested, no? And I think people forget it's not always how good a player is that judges his expendability...it's more often his importance to his team. In Berglund's case he is EXTREMELY important to the structure of our team.

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10-21-2012, 01:49 AM
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You also don't trade from other areas of weakness, you trade from areas of strength.
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Yes, but you're missing the point. To get the player you want you have to be willing to give up what the other team needs. You can't just say, "I want this guy, but this is all I'm going to offer you. Take it or leave it!"

9/10 the other team will walk.

that's why it's great that the Blues have 28 other teams to trade with.

At the end of the day the trade has to make sense for both teams to make it.

He is the type of player that is easier to replace than a big 24 year old Center with Berglunds skill set.,

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10-21-2012, 02:07 AM
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As much as most teams would love to have them, St. Louis' two best centers aren't for trade unless the team trading for them coughs up a huge overpayment. Probably entails a 3 way trade which has St. Louis sending a center and a goalie out for an even better center+.

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I guess so.

Looks like the Flames will be stuck without a center for Iginla and the Blues will be stuck without a top-pairing d-man to play with Pietrangelo.
Except that the Blues have a 6' 2, 210-pound recent first-round pick with significant NHL experience already (Ian Cole) biding his time in Peoria waiting for the NHL season to start so that he can get a nice long audition as Pietrangelo's partner.

The Flames have who in Abbotsford, again, that can step into a tryout role as Iginla's center?

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10-21-2012, 10:08 PM
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Cammalleri.

The Flames are much better of keeping Giordano and giving Cammalleri another run at center.
Or Stajan. Or Hudler.

Glencross/Hudler/Iginla could be very interesting...

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10-21-2012, 10:16 PM
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Except that the Blues have a 6' 2, 210-pound recent first-round pick with significant NHL experience already (Ian Cole) biding his time in Peoria waiting for the NHL season to start so that he can get a nice long audition as Pietrangelo's partner.

The Flames have who in Abbotsford, again, that can step into a tryout role as Iginla's center?
Cammalleri's currently Iginla's center. Failing that, Roman Cervenka will be his center.

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10-21-2012, 10:18 PM
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Or Stajan. Or Hudler.

Glencross/Hudler/Iginla could be very interesting...
No, not Stajan.

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10-21-2012, 10:33 PM
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flames fan saying no.

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10-21-2012, 10:39 PM
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Except that the Blues have a 6' 2, 210-pound recent first-round pick with significant NHL experience already (Ian Cole) biding his time in Peoria waiting for the NHL season to start so that he can get a nice long audition as Pietrangelo's partner.

The Flames have who in Abbotsford, again, that can step into a tryout role as Iginla's center?
Lol. Ian Cole #2 dman! Good for the lolz.

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10-21-2012, 10:46 PM
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Lol. Ian Cole #2 dman! Good for the lolz.
Never said he would be a #2, just that he would be Petro's partner. Colaiacovo was Petro's partner last season, and he is nowhere near a #2. Huskins spent significant time with Petro and he is a bottom pairing defenseman. We had the best defense with those 2 guys as Petro's partner, we are not desperate to make a move.

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Yes, but you're missing the point. To get the player you want you have to be willing to give up what the other team needs. You can't just say, "I want this guy, but this is all I'm going to offer you. Take it or leave it!"

9/10 the other team will walk.
Actually, that is exactly how it is done.

The tricky part is finding that one team in ten whose wants match your surplus.

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10-23-2012, 02:11 AM
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Lol. Ian Cole #2 dman! Good for the lolz.
The lolz is on you, he will play as petro's partner on the number on line so he can have a mentor and someone to cover for his mistakes till he adjust to the pros! I love how people can't read as nobody claimed that Cole is a number 2 d-man. Our other 2 pairs play well together so it only makes sense.

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10-23-2012, 02:51 PM
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I don't understand why STL fans think Berglund is untouchable. If you are lucky he gets 45 points and is a 48.7% FO. What is so great about him. He is like a Horcoff in EDM a 3rd line player.
A third line player that other teams fans have inquired about possibly acquiring at least 18 times in the past year.

Search function and a quick scan of the results shows Berglund showing up as a target in the OP of a trade thread from fans of: Toronto (4x), Edmonton (3x), Montreal (3x), Anaheim (2x), Calgary, Buffalo, Colorado, Ottawa, Carolina, and the Islanders.

...Berglund may not be "untouchable" in raw-talent terms, but he's at least a fair bit more valuable than Shawn Horcoff, and the Blues roster situation is such that they're not looking to trade him, and anyone inquiring about his availability should expect that they're probably not going to be willing to give up what it would take for the Blues to move him.

There's a fair argumentative difference between "untouchable" and "I wouldn't trade him for Mark Giordano"

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The bottom line is Berglund is seen as a core player, just like Giordano would be, it's taking away more than his individual talent from the team that makes him need an overpayment or a superior replacement if he's packaged. The Blues don't have a clear internal solution for replacing him when they barely have one for the 3rd line center at this point.

It's just making a mess of things to add a top 4 guy who can make Pietro's job easier and not be the kind of player that could directly compete for it as a top pairing d-man. That's the ideal addition to the team, not a must have to survive the post season thing we need to address sooner than later.

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10-25-2012, 10:38 PM
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never EVER would i trade GIORDANO... by far my favourite active player... i dont care if im being a homer i would trade anyone over him and glencross... thats just my opinion and its tooo biased so dont take this with any seriousness...

kind of a usless poster lol everybodies got there players (mine are/Were gio, glenx, warrener, and kipper)

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10-26-2012, 10:24 AM
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never EVER would i trade GIORDANO... by far my favourite active player... i dont care if im being a homer i would trade anyone over him and glencross... thats just my opinion and its tooo biased so dont take this with any seriousness...

kind of a usless poster lol everybodies got there players (mine are/Were gio, glenx, warrener, and kipper)
Nothing wrong with being biased and a homer, especially if you can admit it lol

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Nothing wrong with being biased and a homer, especially if you can admit it lol
I agree, we all are with our players even when we don't want to admit it.

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