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Has anybody been to Rosedale? Think a much more exclusive version of Glenora with block after block of Stone mansions. Some of the best Real Estate and exclusive neighborhoods in Canada. Not exactly the place people go looking for a fight. This likely would've been a case of Eager being S h i t e drunk thinking somebody looked at him the wrong way. Where this pub is located is on Yonge, near Bloor, which would be as close to Wall Street as it gets in Canada. Think high powered investment jackets roaming around buying 25buck "pub" drinks. The only crime ever heard of being tax evasion or fraud.

Trouble generally doesn't go hunting in that particular area.

Eager could've been helpful holding up an idiot sign so people were more in the know.
Wow, been to Toronto much???

First off, Yonge St is Yonge St, doesn't really matter if you are in the "Rosedale" area or the Eaton's Center area. Think Whyte Ave not 5th Avenue. Use street view on google maps and take a little drive down Yonge Street.

Second, Close to Wall Street as it gets in Canada? Dude, you are thinking Bay Street and where high powered investment jackets hang out in Toronto is not Yonge Street north of Bloor. Anything near Bloor would be west of this spot, think Yorkville. Investment jackets hang out near the Air Canada Center around King and Bay.

Third, I just looked at the menu there, if they have a drink over $10 I would be surprised!

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Wow, been to Toronto much???

First off, Yonge St is Yonge St, doesn't really matter if you are in the "Rosedale" area or the Eaton's Center area. Think Whyte Ave not 5th Avenue. Use street view on google maps and take a little drive down Yonge Street.

Second, Close to Wall Street as it gets in Canada? Dude, you are thinking Bay Street and where high powered investment jackets hang out in Toronto is not Yonge Street north of Bloor. Anything near Bloor would be west of this spot, think Yorkville. Investment jackets hang out near the Air Canada Center around King and Bay.

Third, I just looked at the menu there, if they have a drink over $10 I would be surprised!
Well admittedly its been awhile. Some of the area may have changed. For some reason Rosedale was specifically quoted in the article which was a little misleading so I assumed Yonge near Bloor This also being close to Bay street financial district. Rsoedale has specific connotation to me and so therefore my reaction to the area in question.

Even in the article is fully supports my supposition that this nature of event is extremely unlikely in this particular locale and establishment and that all the staff were shocked. You equating this area of Yonge to Whyte Avenue is more misleading.

Admittedly I'm not familiar with the Firkin Pubs but the Quail seems like its trying to be one of their better efforts (not my cup of tea judging from menu) and yelp sounded out that the Quail and Firkin is a pretty quiet, boring, strict code, allowing no shenanigans type establishment. Again not the kind of place one would encounter trouble unless one was the trouble..

edit: ftr I double checked the location. It is on Yonge, yes, but several blocks north of Bloor and smackdab in some upper crust area. On street view check out any of the houses and neighborhoods in the catchment area due east of it. You won't even find anything like this in Edmonton.

This being a real estate listing one block away. Right off Yonge street.

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Well admittedly its been awhile. Some of the area may have changed. For some reason Rosedale was specifically quoted in the article which was a little misleading so I assumed Yonge near Bloor This also being close to Bay street financial district.

Even in the article is fully supports my supposition that this nature of event is extremely unlikely in this particular locale and establishment and that all the staff were shocked. You equating this area of Yonge to Whyte Avenue is more misleading.

Admittedly I'm not familiar with the Firkin Pubs but the Quail seems like its trying to be one of their better efforts (not my cup of tea judging from menu) and yelp sounded out that the Quail and Firkin is a pretty quiet, boring, strict code, allowing no shenanigans type establishment.
yonge st is yonge st, doesn't matter where you are on it. We are talking a stretch of road where there was a mall shooting, a girl brawl in front of a burger king, and homeless people get urinated on by drunk passersby. A bar fight would be the least worthy piece of news to come out of there in recent months and the only reason anyone cares is because it involves a high profile athlete.

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yonge st is yonge st, doesn't matter where you are on it. We are talking a stretch of road where there was a mall shooting, a girl brawl in front of a burger king, and homeless people get urinated on by drunk passersby. A bar fight would be the least worthy piece of news to come out of there in recent months and the only reason anyone cares is because it involves a high profile athlete.
Next time you're in Toronto check out the surrounding area within blocks of this establishment which is smackdab in a posh neighborhood with everything East of it looking much like mansions. This is not the smelly Yonge street south of bloor. This is well north of bloor. Check out the real estate in the area sometime.

This is not anywhere near Eaton Center ftr. Yonge street afairc is officially the longest block in Canada. So a little misleading to generalize the street.

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Eager in a fight ? Looks like those talks with Krueger are paying off already.

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Wait, so they assaulted the doorman? Something doesn't seem right here. I'd like to hear the other side of the story before passing judgment

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Next time you're in Toronto check out the surrounding area within blocks of this establishment which is smackdab in a posh neighborhood with everything East of it looking much like mansions. This is not the smelly Yonge street south of bloor. This is well north of bloor. Check out the real estate in the area sometime.

This is not anywhere near Eaton Center ftr. Yonge street afairc is officially the longest block in Canada. So a little misleading to generalize the street.
Your initial description of the area was the most accurate. Rosedale is north of bloor as is the Quail, north of any and all chaos and crap that happens downtown, and is one of the safest and most well-to-do neighborhoods in the city. From what I read of initial reports he punched out the bouncer/doorman. Draw your own conclusions.

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It doesn't matter where it happened.

And it probably doesn't matter that it happened at all.

I can't remember the last time the Oilers actually disciplined a player for any off ice issues.

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Has anybody been to Rosedale? Think a much more exclusive version of Glenora with block after block of Stone mansions. Some of the best Real Estate and exclusive neighborhoods in Canada. Not exactly the place people go looking for a fight. This likely would've been a case of Eager being S h i t e drunk thinking somebody looked at him the wrong way. Where this pub is located is on Yonge, near Bloor, which would be as close to Wall Street as it gets in Canada. Think high powered investment jackets roaming around buying 25buck "pub" drinks. The only crime ever heard of being tax evasion or fraud.

Trouble generally doesn't go hunting in that particular area.

Eager could've been helpful holding up an idiot sign so people were more in the know.
You ever hang out with rich kids before? Especially these days? They love to fight. Most rich kids spend half their damn time in MMA classes and crap nowadays and show up at bars with their Affliction and Ed Hardy gear on thinking they are gonna rough some people up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eager and his brother were just teaching some young punks some respect.

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You ever hang out with rich kids before? Especially these days? They love to fight. Most rich kids spend half their damn time in MMA classes and crap nowadays and show up at bars with their Affliction and Ed Hardy gear on thinking they are gonna rough some people up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eager and his brother were just teaching some young punks some respect.
Except a doorman was beat up...... how do young punks fit into your theory exactly? How come nobody else was charged?

I doubt a bouncer picked a fight, and even if was he talking trash or telling Eager and his brother to leave that does not excuse someone for beating someone up violently. Innocent until proven guilty is fine, but this looks too open and shut to me, and the fact that he is on camera will probably prove everyone's suspicions correct.

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Except a doorman was beat up...... how do young punks fit into your theory exactly? How come nobody else was charged?

I doubt a bouncer picked a fight, and even if was he talking trash or telling Eager and his brother to leave that does not excuse someone for beating someone up violently. Innocent until proven guilty is fine, but this looks too open and shut to me, and the fact that he is on camera will probably prove everyone's suspicions correct.
I don't doubt that Eager probably has some fault in this. I was just pointing out to the other poster that rich kids are almost MORE likely to go out to bars looking for fights than the average person. As for the bouncer, isn't it possible he was kind of collateral damage in all of this? He could have came in to break up the fight, grabbed one of the Eagers who may have assumed he was jumping in and started fighting with him.

But yeah, you are probably right. Eager probably had a few too many, someone started lipping off about the lockout or something like that to him and things got out of control.

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I don't doubt that Eager probably has some fault in this. I was just pointing out to the other poster that rich kids are almost MORE likely to go out to bars looking for fights than the average person. As for the bouncer, isn't it possible he was kind of collateral damage in all of this? He could have came in to break up the fight, grabbed one of the Eagers who may have assumed he was jumping in and started fighting with him.

But yeah, you are probably right. Eager probably had a few too many, someone started lipping off about the lockout or something like that to him and things got out of control.
Being a sports fan or a fan of a particular team usually makes people more biased when it comes to their judgements as far as being impartial. Think about it, the bouncer had to hold up a chair to defend himself against an attack where employees and witnesses claimed a severe beating was going on.

Also, how is someone getting lippy or being drunk always such a great defense in this country? Its beyond pathetic. Why is that a justification for that high school behavior?

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Being a sports fan or a fan of a particular team usually makes people more biased when it comes to their judgements as far as being impartial. Think about it, the bouncer had to hold up a chair to defend himself against an attack where employees and witnesses claimed a severe beating was going on.

Also, how is someone getting lippy or being drunk always such a great defense in this country? Its beyond pathetic. Why is that a justification for that high school behavior?
I'm not saying it's justification for it or anything. I just think people really should watch what they say to people. Just because someone is a pro-athlete I don't think people have any kind of right to start talking nonsense at them and not expect the same repercussions that would happen with any other random person you started talking crap to at a bar for no reason.

I've worked in bars and casinos most of my adult life, and I've seen so many incidents like this I have lost count. And yes, one person is at fault for escalating it to something physical, but that person is generally not the one who is at fault for starting the altercation. A high percentage of the time there is some guy there who is running his mouth thinking that noone in their right mind is going to punch them out in front of tons of witnesses. Problem is, when enough alcohol is consumed, the other person isn't in their right mind, and WILL punch you in front of a ton of people.

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I'm not saying it's justification for it or anything. I just think people really should watch what they say to people. Just because someone is a pro-athlete I don't think people have any kind of right to start talking nonsense at them and not expect the same repercussions that would happen with any other random person you started talking crap to at a bar for no reason.

I've worked in bars and casinos most of my adult life, and I've seen so many incidents like this I have lost count. And yes, one person is at fault for escalating it to something physical, but that person is generally not the one who is at fault for starting the altercation. A high percentage of the time there is some guy there who is running his mouth thinking that noone in their right mind is going to punch them out in front of tons of witnesses. Problem is, when enough alcohol is consumed, the other person isn't in their right mind, and WILL punch you in front of a ton of people.
On that we both agree, a person talking **** is usually confident in his surroundings. The problem is though with boozed up idiots, it does not take much to set them off, something as small as, "whatever" or "keep walking pal"

I saw a fight on the LRT where a drunk guy was bothering what looked to be a high school kid, all the drunk asked is if he wants to buy drugs, he said no he does not do drugs and the drunk threatened to beat him up if he told security on him, the young man replied with, "i don't give a **** go bother someone else"

So i guess you can say he was lippy, but i don't think anyone wants to be polite when someone is being a jerk or harassing you. Thankfully the drunk was way too wasted to be too much of a threat and he did not have any friends to back him up.

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Your initial description of the area was the most accurate. Rosedale is north of bloor as is the Quail, north of any and all chaos and crap that happens downtown, and is one of the safest and most well-to-do neighborhoods in the city. From what I read of initial reports he punched out the bouncer/doorman. Draw your own conclusions.
Exactly.

Not sure why people can't draw a distinction between that area and what is south of bloor on yonge exactly as I stated. Rosedale is probably one of the best areas in Canada and with real estate value that properly reflects that.

Its an area code that likely has the highest household income/capita in the country.

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You ever hang out with rich kids before? Especially these days? They love to fight. Most rich kids spend half their damn time in MMA classes and crap nowadays and show up at bars with their Affliction and Ed Hardy gear on thinking they are gonna rough some people up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eager and his brother were just teaching some young punks some respect.
I've trained in gyms for 25 yrs so I've certainly come across the type you describe. But that said I do find it quite possible not to engage in their sometimes subtle or not so subtle provocation. By all means I avoid going to watering holes where the type would be likely to show up. Just not an enjoyable thing and I don't value you it in any way.

But have you thought that what you describe could easily fit Eager's disposition this certainly being a person prone to random acts of aggression that are well established?

I would not be making any of the statements I have in this thread if this circumstance by Eager was in isolation. Instead I gather my impression in this case from several events through several years.

Finally, it matters not as a high paid and accountable public figure whether another person started it or not. Eagers job(the only one he has right now during a lockout) is to keep his nose reasonably clean. The doorman would be a guy working this as a side gig for some extra coin while he has another job to support himself. Likely isn't a public figure (although some ex athletes, football players do specifically do some of this work) If Eager finds such an individual unpleasant, offensive, whatever, Eager can walk away and find somewhere else to be. The doorman is the guy that has to stand up in the situation and can't just leave. In anycase I've never respected anybody that would consciously take on a doorman just because they thought he was an ahole. Just walk away, report it to management, etc. Eagers action instead is illegal. It isn't warranted either. Its not his job to rid the world of aholes even if the doorman was one and if he was you'd think the two would get along fine..

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I've trained in gyms for 25 yrs so I've certainly come across the type you describe. But that said I do find it quite possible not to engage in their sometimes subtle or not so subtle provocation. By all means I avoid going to watering holes where the type would be likely to show up. Just not an enjoyable thing and I don't value you it in any way.

But have you thought that what you describe could easily fit Eager's disposition this certainly being a person prone to random acts of aggression that are well established?

I would not be making any of the statements I have in this thread if this circumstance by Eager was in isolation. Instead I gather my impression in this case from several events through several years.

Finally, it matters not as a high paid and accountable public figure whether another person started it or not. Eagers job(the only one he has right now during a lockout) is to keep his nose reasonably clean. The doorman would be a guy working this as a side gig for some extra coin while he has another job to support himself. Likely isn't a public figure (although some ex athletes, football players do specifically do some of this work) If Eager finds such an individual unpleasant, offensive, whatever, Eager can walk away and find somewhere else to be. The doorman is the guy that has to stand up in the situation and can't just leave. In anycase I've never respected anybody that would consciously take on a doorman just because they thought he was an ahole. Just walk away, report it to management, etc. Eagers action instead is illegal. It isn't warranted either. Its not his job to rid the world of aholes even if the doorman was one and if he was you'd think the two would get along fine..
Oh I agree. If I saw Eager in a bar though, even if I had no clue who he was, he just doesn't look like the type of guy I would start mouthing off, no matter how comfortable I was with my surroundings. The guy screams neanderthal. He reminds me of a guy I had the misfortune of meeting on a few occasions. Jeff Friesen.

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Except a doorman was beat up...... how do young punks fit into your theory exactly? How come nobody else was charged?

I doubt a bouncer picked a fight, and even if was he talking trash or telling Eager and his brother to leave that does not excuse someone for beating someone up violently. Innocent until proven guilty is fine, but this looks too open and shut to me, and the fact that he is on camera will probably prove everyone's suspicions correct.
How exactly? Have you seen the video? All we have are some quotes which only give one side of the story, nothing from the police. Let's wait for the facts before condemning the guy.
If he is proven guilty then he deserves everything he gets but until then....

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.....and that all the staff were shocked.
Really I couldn't care less about Ben Eager or what sort of trouble he's landed himself in this time. However when I initially read the article I took note of the manager's statement that the staff were all so shocked and traumatized they had to suspend operations for the rest of the night. Poor babies .... perhaps some ptsd counseling is in order. If you work in the food and beverage industry - no matter how la de da your establishment may be - and your specific job is bouncer/doorman, how could you possibly be shocked that someone got drunk and started throwing punches. Those comments specifically bothered me and sound like someone preparing the way for a lawsuit.

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Really I couldn't care less about Ben Eager or what sort of trouble he's landed himself in this time. However when I initially read the article I took note of the manager's statement that the staff were all so shocked and traumatized they had to suspend operations for the rest of the night. Poor babies .... perhaps some ptsd counseling is in order. If you work in the food and beverage industry - no matter how la de da your establishment may be - and your specific job is bouncer/doorman, how could you possibly be shocked that someone got drunk and started throwing punches. Those comments specifically bothered me and sound like someone preparing the way for a lawsuit.
Well I happen to know people in the food and beverage industry that are low paid, hard working conditions, and that don't take it as part of their job to go into work and be beat up or exposed to dangerous physical assault situations. If this is the new lay of the land even in a respectable establishment, in a respectable neighborhood, then good luck finding anybody to work in such establishments which is already hard enough to do and literally impossible closer to home in this economy. There are people who are wives, mothers, daughters working in these establishments and being exposed to something like this is way beyond what should be considered as a condition of dutiful employment. "Boohoo?" C'mon, be reasonable here. Violence in public establishments where people have to work is bs plain and simple and shouldn't be tolerated to any degree. I dare say patrons don't want any part of it either. Personally I applaud any establishment that exercises zero tolerance in this regard for patrons and staff.

Its deplorable that any adult goes out in public and gets in fights in these public establishments. According to what I've read Eager was also involved in altercations both inside, and outside of the establishment and requiring police intervention. The fights are also on security camera and several eye witness reports in case your wondering so its more than somebody making up something. I would imagine the doorman also went to see a doctor and to record any and all injuries sustained at work which of course he should do in any case this being WCB related injury. You invoking lawsuit may or may not be the case but I rather doubt this is as frivolous as you would seemingly assume it to be. If its nothing but over exaggerated the tapes, testimony, agreed statement of facts should reveal that. But the staff seem fairly confident on what occurred.

Pretty sure its possible for Eager to avoid such situations.

edit: Eager must hate video cameras by now. lol. This video reveals that the doorman was beaten by the Eagers to the degree that he required ambulance, medical treatment, and stitches again which the staff have reviewed and have on security camera. I guess Eager forgot to punch out the camera this time.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/video/latest...ager-arrested/


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Well admittedly its been awhile. Some of the area may have changed. For some reason Rosedale was specifically quoted in the article which was a little misleading so I assumed Yonge near Bloor This also being close to Bay street financial district. Rsoedale has specific connotation to me and so therefore my reaction to the area in question.

Even in the article is fully supports my supposition that this nature of event is extremely unlikely in this particular locale and establishment and that all the staff were shocked. You equating this area of Yonge to Whyte Avenue is more misleading.

Admittedly I'm not familiar with the Firkin Pubs but the Quail seems like its trying to be one of their better efforts (not my cup of tea judging from menu) and yelp sounded out that the Quail and Firkin is a pretty quiet, boring, strict code, allowing no shenanigans type establishment. Again not the kind of place one would encounter trouble unless one was the trouble..

edit: ftr I double checked the location. It is on Yonge, yes, but several blocks north of Bloor and smackdab in some upper crust area. On street view check out any of the houses and neighborhoods in the catchment area due east of it. You won't even find anything like this in Edmonton.

This being a real estate listing one block away. Right off Yonge street.

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetail...Key=1725474918

Check out the multimedia video for a quick look at the surrounding area and shops. As well as a beautiful property fairly typical of the surrounding.
What would you expect the bar manager to say. "Oh yeah this happens all the time, come drink here."? It looks like they only got the story from the bar staff, which makes it completely one sided.

Personally I don't really care what happened. It was a bar fight, they happen often. Who cares?

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