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11-03-2012, 02:56 AM
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Round 6 comments:

Alex Levinsky: You remember that, eh, Johnny? I don't remember giving you flak per se, but I remember asking why he was picked. I was unable to see what made him in any way special. Of course, that was back at pick #813, and that's a lot earlier than now, so that helps make the pick look better now than it was then. Also, I think a few of us are more cognizant of the importance of "just being there" when it comes to original six era player. Lasting 8 seasons at the NHL, based on what kind of pre-expansion defensemen have been selected, shows that he's more or less an appropriate pick right now.

Phil Kessel: Might have the best individual season of any winger here. Not so much from a "best 4" or "best 6" standpoint, but if you like peak he's a great pick. Prior to this draft I predicted he'd be taken, and that he'd be far from the worst scorer taken.

Dennis Kearns: He will be one of the better specialists in this draft. Averaged 22.7 minutes, but that was in the 70s, when minutes were higher for top guys, and for abysmal teams, and for just 677 games. Compares well with some other specialists who'll get taken though. I would not select him over BudsBuster's Malakhov though.

Ralph Bowman: his decent all-star record suggests he might have been the best pre-expansion defenseman left when he was taken,and maybe 3rd best of the draft after Godfrey and Reise.

Mike Cammalleri: I'd say about the same as Kessel. Less peak, especially when linemates are considered, but a more fleshed out career so far.

Sergei Svetlov: Pretty good scoring record in the USSR league. Even if we know nothing else about him (and I believe that to be the case), then he's a pretty good pick here.

Sean Hill: Was low on my list, but now that I look again, he actually could have been higher. 21.4 minutes a game, for 874 games, but for bad teams. There are many many worse picks you could have made.

Tim Young: What do you mean by versatility? His offensive resume seems to be lacking compared to other top centers being taken right now, and I haven't been able to find any great examples of intangibles for him, either.

Vladimir Malakhov:He was my #1/2 choice to be a 3rd pairing offensive specialist. The reason is, he wasn't just a specialist in real life. He had great size, played a lot of minutes and killed a ton of penalties. He wasn't particularly excellent at anything, but he was at least useful and competent.

Jimmy Carson: Yet another in that pack of a dozen almost equal centers we liked heading into this draft. They are drying up now! Carson certainly has the best "top 2 seasons" of any center here, but it dries up a little quicker after that, and all those other guys close the gap with better staying power.

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11-03-2012, 06:21 AM
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The Steelers selects a Left winger that was a bundle of speed, energy and courage. Called "Wee Johnny" due to his diminutive 5-foot-7, 165-pound frame, he was a rugged competitor who once worked as a trapper near the Arctic Circle. The deadly finisher possessed blazing speed on his skates.

Johnny Sheppard, LW

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11-03-2012, 01:30 PM
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Fort Saskatchewan selects D Rod Flett

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11-03-2012, 01:49 PM
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We hav no idea what we're doing with this pick.... so I doubt it's coming soon

If seventies isn't around by bout 6, I'll figure something out.

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11-03-2012, 02:26 PM
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We select Bill Clement, C. Clement has always been our #1 choice for defensive center and we didn't want to risk missing out on him. Definitely worth taking before 2nd tier scoring line players!

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11-03-2012, 02:29 PM
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Tim Young: What do you mean by versatility? His offensive resume seems to be lacking compared to other top centers being taken right now, and I haven't been able to find any great examples of intangibles for him, either.
If he's a step behind some of these top Cs offensively, I'm ok with that because he's my 2C. To be fair, compare him to the other 2Cs (once they are all drafted), and I think he looks pretty solid offensively as a guy who was always good for 20-30 goals and about 70 points in a full season. And his ceiling is pretty high for a AAA'er. In 1977, as a 21-year-old, he led his team in scoring by 38% while playing with a bunch of wingers who have never been drafted. Two years later, this is what North Stars captain had to say about Tim Young's early seasons:

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"The last two, three or four years, Tim was more or less an individual player because he was so talented. The club was a losing club and it was just Tim's way of survival.

"But (Coach) Glen Sonmor made Tim aware that we depend on him and he depends on us, and that helped make him a team player."
That quote came after a 5-goal game by Young.

Unfortunately, by the time Minnesota turned the corner toward being a more established and competitive team (their first division title was in '82, when Young was 26), he had already started to struggle with injuries and was being used in a more defensive role. You can really see the story in his year-to-year +/- totals.

Versatility... for one thing, he's offensively versatile. He scores goals, he's a good playmaker, he's physically strong for a skill player. He didn't rely too heavily on PP scoring but still put up good PP totals. He's a good guy to have as the starting point for a second line.

He's versatile in other ways. He killed penalties, not at an elite level, but well enough that he'll probably play on the second unit. He played the odd game at defense. He played the point on the PP, which gives me some much needed flexibility in drafting defensemen going forward. He's a right-handed center, to complement the left-handed Raleigh.

Even if there might be some guys left who have marginally better on-paper arguments, I didn't see a player on the board who did more for my roster specifically than Young.

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11-03-2012, 03:31 PM
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We select Bill Clement, C. Clement has always been our #1 choice for defensive center and we didn't want to risk missing out on him. Definitely worth taking before 2nd tier scoring line players!
One of I think 5 1970s Flyers centers who allegedly was used in a checking role.

(I realize the meat of Clement's career is after Philly)

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11-03-2012, 03:40 PM
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Apologies for my two skipped picks.

The Belleville Bulls will select a huge shot who has had international and playoff success in Sami Salo and a physical, shot-blocking force in Anton Volchenkov.

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11-03-2012, 05:37 PM
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I assume I'm up. In any case the St.John's Monsters select Dale Mccourt, Centre.



The 1st overall pick in the 1977 NHL draft had a good career getting 478 points in 532 career games including 4 70 point seasons.

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McCourt's helmet is one of the strangest looking of all time.

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Yeah, why does his helmet have sideburns?

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11-03-2012, 06:51 PM
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If he's a step behind some of these top Cs offensively, I'm ok with that because he's my 2C. To be fair, compare him to the other 2Cs (once they are all drafted), and I think he looks pretty solid offensively as a guy who was always good for 20-30 goals and about 70 points in a full season. And his ceiling is pretty high for a AAA'er. In 1977, as a 21-year-old, he led his team in scoring by 38% while playing with a bunch of wingers who have never been drafted. Two years later, this is what North Stars captain had to say about Tim Young's early seasons:



That quote came after a 5-goal game by Young.

Unfortunately, by the time Minnesota turned the corner toward being a more established and competitive team (their first division title was in '82, when Young was 26), he had already started to struggle with injuries and was being used in a more defensive role. You can really see the story in his year-to-year +/- totals.

Versatility... for one thing, he's offensively versatile. He scores goals, he's a good playmaker, he's physically strong for a skill player. He didn't rely too heavily on PP scoring but still put up good PP totals. He's a good guy to have as the starting point for a second line.

He's versatile in other ways. He killed penalties, not at an elite level, but well enough that he'll probably play on the second unit. He played the odd game at defense. He played the point on the PP, which gives me some much needed flexibility in drafting defensemen going forward. He's a right-handed center, to complement the left-handed Raleigh.

Even if there might be some guys left who have marginally better on-paper arguments, I didn't see a player on the board who did more for my roster specifically than Young.

Well... ok. I'll have to go back and review/research some more if you think there's something there. Last year I did search all the scouting reports for anything that indicated he was more than just an offensive guy, and couldn't find anything.

First impression, though, is that you're saying the kinds of things that would make sense when drafting a guy offensively 10-15% worse than others available, but not if it's 30%.


As for 1977... yes, obviously that was one excellent year. It's everything besides that, that has always concerned me.

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11-03-2012, 07:08 PM
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First impression, though, is that you're saying the kinds of things that would make sense when drafting a guy offensively 10-15% worse than others available, but not if it's 30%.
I'm also not really interested in the percentage-obsessed approach to building hockey teams. But you have probably figured that out already.

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11-03-2012, 07:17 PM
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I'll take C Jozef Stumpel

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11-04-2012, 12:39 AM
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First impression, though, is that you're saying the kinds of things that would make sense when drafting a guy offensively 10-15% worse than others available, but not if it's 30%.
I legitimately don't know what this means or how it's determined...any place I can read up on the origins of this or download a spreadsheet or something?

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I'll take C Jozef Stumpel
oh man i was hoping he would fall back to me!!!

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I assume we're not going to be sticklers over Daylight Savings Time?

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11-04-2012, 01:39 PM
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Daylight savings time, no notice about who was skipped in the meantime AND I didn't get a PM.

I'm really not sure whether any of this stuff is binding, but if there's any risk of missing a pick we'l grab Guy Hebert, G. Feel free to do what you want with that.


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Eisbaren Berlin selects D Randy Manery



and D Leo Lamoureux


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Ok, we don't really have a plan here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and get Patrice Brisebois, D, PM Veliciraptor and ask questions later.


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Roman Cechmanek, G



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Since I missed most of the PP guys already, I'll take D Philippe Boucher

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St.John's Monsters select Defenseman Curt Giles



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We select George Gee, C.

Gee stands out as far and away the best offensive center of the pre-expansion guys left. GBC used to sell him as a defensive player, which was never substantiated, and may have simply been because he was not a top-line player and because he played in the O6 (that’s how the ATD used to work!!)

We are comfortable enough with his offensive game to select him at this point as a top-6 center. If we can discover anything else about him, great, but we are selecting him assuming he has no intangibles.

Gee’s best season was 1952, when he was 8th in assists and 12th in points, but he also had five more seasons with at least 37 points, four of them placing him in the top-20 in points. In the 1950 playoffs, Gee stepped up in a big way, leading Detroit in playoff assists and tying for the team lead in points, ensuring Detroit would win the Stanley cup despite Gordie Howe’s injury, which stifled the rest of the production line.

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Fort Saskatchewan selects D Fred Higginbotham

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