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Rielly vs Grigorenko vs Forsberg vs Faksa

View Poll Results: In hindsight, who would you have taken?
Rielly...somethin between Orr and Leetch 99 72.79%
Grigorenko...somethin between Malkin and Antropov 21 15.44%
Forsberg...Swedish Rick Nash, not a center 14 10.29%
Faksa...big 2-way center potential great #2C 2 1.47%
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10-22-2012, 10:22 PM
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I wanted Grigorenko leading up to the draft. Rielly is a heck of a player, and should contribute solidly to the Leafs one day. I know you don't necessarily draft by need, but Grigorenko's potential skill set is exactly what we need. With Rielly, we have Gardiner, Liles, Phaneuf, Blacker, Finn, who fill a somewhat similar role. Sure Rielly might be an upgrade over any of these... but at C we have... ummm Bozak, Kadri, Colborne, Grabs...

I am happy with Rielly, would have taken Grigorenko as an armchair GM.

Maybe we won't have a season, and we'll get lucky and get the rights to draft MacKinnon... and then this will be a mute discussion.

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10-22-2012, 10:23 PM
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Yeah didn't his team get relegated down a tier from last season
Two or three seasons ago now. I believe AIK moved up.

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I figured Forsberg would be playing in the SEL this year. Is he too young or something?
He only turned 18 in mid-August.

FF was my pick for sure.

After Murray, Rielly to me was the best D, and the way they talked,
I believed he would be the best D of them all. I thought though after
Murray, there would be a huge to the next level of D men and out
of range, considering our needs.

Another manager said always draft BPA, and re-arrange the furniture
in the future.

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10-22-2012, 10:33 PM
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I'm just glad we didnt waste our pick on that bum Galchenyuk....

He is looking more and more like a dud without a superstar on his line.

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10-22-2012, 11:26 PM
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I'm just glad we didnt waste our pick on that bum Galchenyuk....

He is looking more and more like a dud without a superstar on his line.
15 points in 12 games on a not so great team isn't too bad.

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15 points in 12 games on a not so great team isn't too bad.
Psht small sample size hes got BSUT written all over hom waht a bum

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10-23-2012, 12:01 AM
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Going to go out on a limb here and predict Rielly may win this poll.

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10-23-2012, 12:29 AM
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Grigorenko is tearing up a league where the defence resembles swiss cheese, yep impressive.

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I voted for faksa because at the time that is who I would have taken. I thought it was a good opportunity to address our lack of size up the middle. Hes a leader and will be able to play in all situations.

Looking back, how can you be upset with drafting reilly? It looks like the skys the limit for him.

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Faksa seemed like the Luke Schenn of forwards. I'd rather take high upside with a pick like that. i.e. Grigorenko, Rielly, Forsberg, SUBBAN

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I'm just glad we didnt waste our pick on that bum Galchenyuk....

He is looking more and more like a dud without a superstar on his line.
In the year after Kadri was drafted, he started the year with 38 points in 28 games, which was fairly disappointing. He followed that up with 82 points in his next 40 games. (including playoffs).

Looking back on it, that was absolutely ridiculous production.

I can see Galch doing something similar.

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In the year after Kadri was drafted, he started the year with 38 points in 28 games, which was fairly disappointing. He followed that up with 82 points in his next 40 games. (including playoffs).

Looking back on it, that was absolutely ridiculous production.

I can see Galch doing something similar.
We shall see

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Grigorenko is tearing up a league where the defence resembles swiss cheese, yep impressive.
Average GAA being 3.4 in the Q, vs. 3.2 in the W.... not that much of a difference.

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At the time I would have taken Forsburg as he was the best forward available in my opinion, at this point though Reilly with Griggs a close second.

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This thread makes me a little p***** that we didn't draft a Center. Mo Riles better be something special (no less than Paul Coffey) or else Burke is relying too much on the fact that Getz is available next season.

It's possible that by the time Mo Riles starts to play for T.O. that we still have no 1C.

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This thread makes me a little p***** that we didn't draft a Center. Mo Riles better be something special (no less than Paul Coffey) or else Burke is relying too much on the fact that Getz is available next season.

It's possible that by the time Mo Riles starts to play for T.O. that we still have no 1C.

Not only possible, but almost for sure. Also I can see Rielly making the Leafs next season...it's been said somewhere that Burke thinks he's close to nhl ready.

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I wanted Grigs since the start of the season last year. My outlook remains the same the kid is a stud and Buffalo got a nice pickup. That being said I am happy with Rielly.
This. I wanted us to pick him badly.

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Grigorenko is tearing up a league where the defence resembles swiss cheese, yep impressive.
http://theqmjhl.ca/stats/show/type/t.../ls_season/171
http://www.whl.ca/stats/show

Grigorenko is playing in the same league as McKinnon.
Rielly is playing in the same league as JC Lipon with 32 points in 13 games.

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Lol. Taking shots at the league a kid plays in... Maybe if he was playing in Austria...

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Grant Sonier's Top-20 Players outside the NHL:

1. Evgeny Kuznetsov
2. Nail Yakupov
3. Morgan Rielly
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A volcano waiting to erupt -- that's how I describe this exciting, solid skating defenseman. His speed and gracefulness on the ice are matched by his intensity, and I foresee sharp improvements to his overall game given more time on the big stage with NHL-caliber players. Missing an entire season with a serious knee injury -- for which I nicked him in my pre-draft rankings -- appears to be in the rearview mirror, as he already has jumped out to a great start back in Moose Jaw. Recently, he had a five-point game, and, at this pace, he certainly could be a big-numbers guy. His charisma also helps elevate his status as a top prospect.
4. Jonathan Huberdeau
5. Dougie Hamilton
6. Mikael Granlund
7. Griffin Reinhart
8. Alex Galchenyuk
9. Ryan Strome
10. Justin Schultz
11. Andrei Vasilevski
12. Charlie Coyle
13. Sven Baertschi
14. Vladimir Tarasenko
15. Ryan Murray
16. Mika Zibanejad
17. Mark Scheifele
18. Nick Bjugstad
19. Jonas Brodin
20. Radek Faksa

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http://theqmjhl.ca/stats/show/type/t.../ls_season/171
http://www.whl.ca/stats/show

Grigorenko is playing in the same league as McKinnon.
Rielly is playing in the same league as JC Lipon with 32 points in 13 games.
The league has had a lot of inflated scorers, remember Normand Aubin? I doubt anyone here has heard of Yanni Gourde. All I am saying is before we go ga ga over Grigorenko's stats, which he also did mighty fine last year. Bare in mind this isn't the OHL where defence is stressed.

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The league has had a lot of inflated scorers, remember Normand Aubin? I doubt anyone here has heard of Yanni Gourde. All I am saying is before we go ga ga over Grigorenko's stats, which he also did mighty fine last year. Bare in mind this isn't the OHL where defence is stressed.
When has defence been stressed in the O and we could easily pick examples of prospects who put up huge numbers in all three jr leagues that busted at the pro level .

I think there's going to be a large number of quality players come out of this draft and while i'm very happy with Rielly the greater need was at C . Hopefully we can get a high end C prospect in this years draft .

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The league has had a lot of inflated scorers, remember Normand Aubin? I doubt anyone here has heard of Yanni Gourde. All I am saying is before we go ga ga over Grigorenko's stats, which he also did mighty fine last year. Bare in mind this isn't the OHL where defence is stressed.
Did you mean Normand Dupont?

Yeah, what does the QMJHL know about producing solid NHL players, right? Who the hell even remembers guys like Mario Lemieux, Guy Lafleur, Sydney Crosby, Pat Lafontaine, Patrick Roy, Sylvain Coté, Pierre Turgeon, Marty Brodeur, Felix Potvin, Lecavalier, Tanguay, Gagné, Brad Richards, Mike Ribeiro, and some hack by the name of Mike Bossy......

Honestly, though. Give it a rest. When people make your other excuses for the hate-fest look silly, then you turn to attack the league he plays in. A league, if I'm not mistaken, that defeated those other two great leagues in the tournament between them. A league that has helped produce 4 of the most memorable, and impactful players the game has ever seen.

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When has defence been stressed in the O and we could easily pick examples of prospects who put up huge numbers in all three jr leagues that busted at the pro level .

I think there's going to be a large number of quality players come out of this draft and while i'm very happy with Rielly the greater need was at C . Hopefully we can get a high end C prospect in this years draft .
I think the quality of coaching is better now then before, coaches are starting to trend towards a NHL style of coaching.

Dave Cameron, Stan Butler, Steve Spott, Ect.... Deboer prior to this. I am not sure we will ever see, Ernie Godden type numbers again. Quality coaching in full display in the OHL.

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So what you're saying is not only that the QMJHL is a second-rate hockey development league, but you're saying this because the coaching is sub-par?

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