There`s been contributions from both sides that resemble hot air however, it appears that each and every day, there are players out there ( many of them barely average NHL`ers) who can`t stop providing fans with comments that lead us to believe they haven`t the faintest clue how to shut it, and they come across as being, well , terribly unintelligent/misinformed, they really aren`t doing themselves any favours.
I agree that these guys just probably shouldn't say anything, but just take a moment and look at from their point of view. If I were an NHL player, I'd be pretty cheesed off at Bettman. Wouldn't you?
This certainly isn't to defend Kotstysin - I really don't care what he said - but just speaking in general terms.
The players made three proposals that were thrown back in their faces in 15 minutes. Why couldn't Bettman take a few hours to look them over, perhaps find something to work from? Again, how would you feel if you were on the receiving end? Would you say, "what a ****"? Because I sure would.
I agree that these guys just probably shouldn't say anything, but just take a moment and look at from their point of view. If I were an NHL player, I'd be pretty cheesed off at Bettman. Wouldn't you?
This certainly isn't to defend Kotstysin - I really don't care what he said - but just speaking in general terms.
The players made three proposals that were thrown back in their faces in 15 minutes. Why couldn't Bettman take a few hours to look them over, perhaps find something to work from? Again, how would you feel if you were on the receiving end? Would you say, "what a ****"? Because I sure would.
I`d feel frustrated, disappointed that I wasn`t playing and make it clear that there isn`t a better league in the world than the NHL and I`d rather be playing in NA than anywhere else, THAT is what I`d say, what were hearing, and far too often, are comments by those like Kostitsyn/Toews and yes, our own DK (lost in translation??) who refers to being treated like an animal, and THIS type of comment, regardless of how all feel, are the type of comments that just make it tough to stay neutral on things and feel any pain for these guys.
I agree that these guys just probably shouldn't say anything, but just take a moment and look at from their point of view. If I were an NHL player, I'd be pretty cheesed off at Bettman. Wouldn't you?
This certainly isn't to defend Kotstysin - I really don't care what he said - but just speaking in general terms.
The players made three proposals that were thrown back in their faces in 15 minutes. Why couldn't Bettman take a few hours to look them over, perhaps find something to work from? Again, how would you feel if you were on the receiving end? Would you say, "what a ****"? Because I sure would.
This was a total cluster **** on the player's part. Why on earth would you expect the owners to take your proposals seriously, when you can't even decide as a union on one proposal, and even worse, one of them was verbal.
I`d feel frustrated, disappointed that I wasn`t playing and make it clear that there isn`t a better league in the world than the NHL and I`d rather be playing in NA than anywhere else, THAT is what I`d say, what were hearing, and far too often, are comments by those like Kostitsyn/Toews and yes, our own DK (lost in translation??) who refers to being treated like an animal, and THIS type of comment, regardless of how all feel, are the type of comments that just make it tough to stay neutral on things and feel any pain for these guys.
Well, I've been in labor disputes, so maybe that's why I understand. I can't stomach smarmy ***** like Bettman.
Well, I've been in labor disputes, so maybe that's why I understand. I can't stomach smarmy ***** like Bettman.
Do you enjoy handing over your rights to someone you don't know.. because thats what I would be pissed about if I was in a union and had an ass hat like Fehr making decision for me.
But thats why I walked out of an interview when they "forced" (got to love Massachusetts) me to join a union.
Well, I've been in labor disputes, so maybe that's why I understand. I can't stomach smarmy ***** like Bettman.
I have never been so this is all foreign to me, and while I agree about Bettman being swarmy, I`m so sick of listening to ludicrous comments from players.
I`d be far more impressed by a player come out, discuss with knowledge, aspects of the proposals that he see`s as problematic rather than the "we may not come back to play" kind of stuff. Too often athlete`s are pegged as less than educated which I don`t believe to be true, then too often, some make statements that make a relatively sane person shake their heads and ask "did I just hear/read that" which potentially backs up the less than educated views of some about the athletes?
This is a slightly hyperbolic take, isn't it? All he said was that he wanted a quick resolution one way or the other, and that he disliked a specific city in OH. Talk about a gross overreaction, imo.
Yeah, still waiting for the HFBruins Board David Krejci defense team to sign on here and defend him...Oh wait, nevermind, he doesn't play for the Bruins...
Yeah, still waiting for the HFBruins Board David Krejci defense team to sign on here and defend him...Oh wait, nevermind, he doesn't play for the Bruins...
I agree that these guys just probably shouldn't say anything, but just take a moment and look at from their point of view. If I were an NHL player, I'd be pretty cheesed off at Bettman. Wouldn't you?
This certainly isn't to defend Kotstysin - I really don't care what he said - but just speaking in general terms.
The players made three proposals that were thrown back in their faces in 15 minutes. Why couldn't Bettman take a few hours to look them over, perhaps find something to work from? Again, how would you feel if you were on the receiving end? Would you say, "what a ****"? Because I sure would.
Well I would hope my team could have come up with one rock solid thought out proposal, and would have always liked 500+ players to hand deliver it to the league..
Last edited by Dogberry: 10-23-2012 at 01:45 PM.
Reason: come on man.
How many players (that would be desired by teams in the NHL) are actually going to refuse to return when this whole thing is over?
Just a lot of noise...much like 99% of the lockout propaganda.
That's not what he said in this article. He said people are tired of dragging the process out- if the league can't figure itself out then it should cancel the season and let people go on with their lives for the year rather than waiting in limbo.
I agree that these guys just probably shouldn't say anything, but just take a moment and look at from their point of view. If I were an NHL player, I'd be pretty cheesed off at Bettman. Wouldn't you?
This certainly isn't to defend Kotstysin - I really don't care what he said - but just speaking in general terms.
The players made three proposals that were thrown back in their faces in 15 minutes. Why couldn't Bettman take a few hours to look them over, perhaps find something to work from? Again, how would you feel if you were on the receiving end? Would you say, "what a ****"? Because I sure would.
couldn't agree more- the owners can't control themselves, they want the players to fix everything for them....this is starting to get to the point of who cares. They get to November without a deal any subsequent agreement would leave a season rushed; sounds like some of the Russians don't even want to play (boy will they be motivated- glad the Bruins don't have any); even if they get back there are going to be some very unhappy guys.
glad for AHL, college hockey, and even an interesting Celtics team
That's not what he said in this article. He said people are tired of dragging the process out- if the league can't figure itself out then it should cancel the season and let people go on with their lives for the year rather than waiting in limbo.
I'd agree except I feel bad for those who work these events and would be impacted; I'm happy to see an AHL game a week and a college game a few times a month.
And which side is making it a reality? The side who has the keys to the rink.
and that same side made 3 attempts during the season last year to begin discussions to attempt to avoid this mess they are in now with the NHLPA refusing to talk......2 sides, both sides are wrong in various areas, the threat for a long lockout is always there whenever any company/organization is in this situation, it is hardly a threat, we`ve seen it become reality in this league before with an entire missed season
Which side is willing to play right now under the old deal until a new one is hammered out? Make no mistake, this is a lockout not a strike. The owners put this situation together and they're stretching it out until they get more than they had.
Make no mistake, this is a lockout not a strike. The owners put this situation together and they're stretching it out until they get more than they had.
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Stated so well and truthfully.
The owners won't even attempt to define what the revenue they want to "split" is. Does it include arena revenue other than tickets? Does it include regional television money? How does that get equitably sorted out between the high and low-revenue teams? What about the existing contracts? Do they get honored or pro-rated?
These same clowns who are crying poverty are the ones who just signed several expensive, long-term deals immediately prior to locking out those same players!
I'm no fan of the majority of Fehr's work with the MLBPA, but he is right when he calls out the owners for using a last-resort action (lockout) as their first option. The NHLPA has plenty of issues of their own, but this lockout is totally on the owners.
It would be...except for the fact that SK has shown over his NHL history, a penchant for having a bad work ethic and a lack of passion (a nice way of putting it) for the game he gets paid a lot to play.
It's true, he didn't say he hated America or puppies, but my point was only that nobody should be surprised that Sergei doesn't care (or even hopes) that the season may be lost.
I'd be more surprised if he said he did care.
People here need the step down from their high horse. Playing here or there is the same game and a majority of player don't go there just to be in vacation. They still play to win and they're still more and more emotionnaly engaged with their new team as the season goes.
The only way a player wouldn't feel like this is A) he's homesick, or B) he's everything you hate about a player.
You want to be 100% in what you do, that's not just a russian thing ...
I`d feel frustrated, disappointed that I wasn`t playing and make it clear that there isn`t a better league in the world than the NHL and I`d rather be playing in NA than anywhere else, THAT is what I`d say, what were hearing, and far too often, are comments by those like Kostitsyn/Toews and yes, our own DK (lost in translation??) who refers to being treated like an animal, and THIS type of comment, regardless of how all feel, are the type of comments that just make it tough to stay neutral on things and feel any pain for these guys.
Are you sure? Easy to have an opinion when you are on the outside looking in.... I bet I'd be quite irked at the NHL if I were a player being treated like that. Still, both sides are going about this wrongly in my opinion.
The owners won't even attempt to define what the revenue they want to "split" is. Does it include arena revenue other than tickets? Does it include regional television money? How does that get equitably sorted out between the high and low-revenue teams? What about the existing contracts? Do they get honored or pro-rated?
These same clowns who are crying poverty are the ones who just signed several expensive, long-term deals immediately prior to locking out those same players!
I'm no fan of the majority of Fehr's work with the MLBPA, but he is right when he calls out the owners for using a last-resort action (lockout) as their first option. The NHLPA has plenty of issues of their own, but this lockout is totally on the owners.
I agree with this. NHLPA isn't going about this correctly either, but the fault is more on the NHL.
Are you sure? Easy to have an opinion when you are on the outside looking in.... I bet I'd be quite irked at the NHL if I were a player being treated like that. Still, both sides are going about this wrongly in my opinion.
I didn't say I wouldn't be irked, I would like to think that regardless of how irked, I have a little more restraint than commenting about feeling as though I'm treated like an animal though.
People here need the step down from their high horse. Playing here or there is the same game and a majority of player don't go there just to be in vacation. They still play to win and they're still more and more emotionnaly engaged with their new team as the season goes.
The only way a player wouldn't feel like this is A) he's homesick, or B) he's everything you hate about a player.
You want to be 100% in what you do, that's not just a russian thing ...
When did I say that his bad work ethic and lack of passion for the game was a Russian trait?
He could be any one of a 100 nationalities and the criticism would still apply. It's about the individual, not the country of origin.
- glad the Bruins don't have any); even if they get back there are going to be some very unhappy guys.
