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10-23-2012, 11:30 AM
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NHLPA annoyed with circumvention of negotiations

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/stor...a-negotiations

As discussed in mega thread previously....

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That's not exactly the way it works, though. The league didn't inform NHLPA leadership that such a window was open, and the attempt—right or not—is being viewed as an end-around on executive director Donald Fehr.

"Most owners are not allowed to attend bargaining meetings," NHLPA special council Steve Fehr said via a released statement. "No owners are allowed to speak to the media about the bargaining. Interesting that they are secretly unleashed to talk to the players about the meetings the players can attend but the owners cannot."

The league, remember, published its most recent CBA proposal on NHL.com—a move that was widely viewed as a PR grab and an attempt to bypass the Fehrs as informational gatekeepers.
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Regardless, the takeaway points: The owners are continuing their attempts to bypass Fehr, and the move annoyed the NHLPA. Considering that Thursday's league-set deadline for saving a full schedule approaches with no meetings scheduled, neither is a good thing.
kdb209 indicated that this break in protocol may be cause for NLRB grievance.

That may be the next step the NHLPA pursue, but nothing has been made public about that.

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10-23-2012, 11:33 AM
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Complaining to the NLRB won't help the players get any closer to a CBA with the season intact

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Supposedly this is the memo about which the union is mad:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...3886--nhl.html

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Complaining to the NLRB won't help the players get any closer to a CBA with the season intact
Probably not, but this move, if it actually happened, was just plain wrong on the part of the NHL. Sometimes, a wrong needs to be addressed for its own sake.

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I think Fehr doesn't like that players would rather contact their team than the PA. Kinda shows the consideration Fehr and the reps have for players that want the deal done and play.

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"Most owners are not allowed to attend bargaining meetings," NHLPA special council Steve Fehr said via a released statement. "No owners are allowed to speak to the media about the bargaining. Interesting that they are secretly unleashed to talk to the players about the meetings the players can attend but the owners cannot."

Steve Fehr makes it sound like the owners are in the dark with these meetings which is a pretty stupid statement. He makes it sound like most of the owners have no idea what's going on, but for some reason the players know more because they have the ability to attend the meetings (but they don't actually go to the meetings). The owners who get information from other owners are in the same boat as players who get information from other players.

Anyway, I bet Fehr runs with this and tries to paint the owners in a bad light (not like that would be surprising).


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This is not very ethical.

When two sides with opposing interests are both represented, it is not ethical for one side to secretly initiate communication with another represented party.

It would have been much better for the NHL to inform the NHLPA they would be doing this, at the very least.

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This is not very ethical.

When two sides with opposing interests are both represented, it is not ethical for one side to secretly initiate communication with another represented party.

It would have been much better for the NHL to inform the NHLPA they would be doing this, at the very least.
If there's a fair notion that one of the parties is not relaying information back to the group (Fehr to the players) acceptably, it is absolutely ethical to do as much.

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How about they concentrate on getting a deal done instead of looking for ways to make each other look pathetic.

Fehr really pisses me off

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This is not very ethical.

When two sides with opposing interests are both represented, it is not ethical for one side to secretly initiate communication with another represented party.

It would have been much better for the NHL to inform the NHLPA they would be doing this, at the very least.
The owners aren't initiating the conversation. The memo that was sent out said the owners are allowed to respond to the players who ask them questions.

But yeah, I do think the NHL probably should've told the NHLPA about this. Fehr is probably pissed that the owners did this.

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This is not very ethical.

When two sides with opposing interests are both represented, it is not ethical for one side to secretly initiate communication with another represented party.

It would have been much better for the NHL to inform the NHLPA they would be doing this, at the very least.
They didn't initiate contact. The NHL told the owners/GMs that they could accept phone calls from the players for a short period of time.

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If the NHL isn't negotiating with the players directly then there's no problem right ?

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i guess it just depends on who's ox is being circumvented.

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kdb209 indicated that this break in protocol may be cause for NLRB grievance.

From the NHLPA? for sure. They've shown much more interest in petty court cases than bargaining, I can see it.

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Sounds like the players are trying to go around Fehr; the NHL is just letting it happen.

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From the NHLPA? for sure. They've shown much more interest in petty court cases than bargaining, I can see it.
If they try to whine to the court that NHL isn't playing fair, NHL should might as well just cancel the season.

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The GMs aren't reaching out... the players are reaching out ... and HAVE BEEN. Fehr shouldn't be mad at the league... he should be mad that his union isn't as strong as it should be... figure out why... and GET A DEAL DONE!!!

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If there's a fair notion that one of the parties is not relaying information back to the group (Fehr to the players) acceptably, it is absolutely ethical to do as much.
If (and that is a big IF) Donald Fehr is withholding information from his constituents, then absolutely that would be unethical.

There is absolutely no evidence that that is occurring though.

As it stands, the NHL is the only one acting unethically, and even if your postulation were correct, it wouldn't make the NHL's actions any more ethical.

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I don't blame the players for speaking with their GMs. If your player rep was someone like Steve Montador wouldn't you want to talk to someone who knew what was really going on?

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As it stands, the NHL is the only one acting unethically, and even if your postulation were correct, it wouldn't make the NHL's actions any more ethical.
Not really. Did you read the memo? The rules are pretty clear. A better question to to ask; Why are the players going to the owners for their information? Shouldn't the PA be able to field those questions? Or has it gotten to a point where the players don't necessarily trust the PA? Are the players more split on this than we've been lead to believe?

Some poignant questions for the mercenary they brought in to orchestrate this nonsense.

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The GMs aren't reaching out... the players are reaching out ... and HAVE BEEN. Fehr shouldn't be mad at the league... he should be mad that his union isn't as strong as it should be... figure out why... and GET A DEAL DONE!!!
Exactly. From what I have read of this memo it's offering advice and instruction on how to respond to a player initiating a conversation. It's the players breaking out and trying to get more information.

It speaks to serious issues within the PA. We should all be worried because this situation is needlessly spinning in really strange directions and it didn't have to be this way.

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If they try to whine to the court that NHL isn't playing fair, NHL should might as well just cancel the season.
Yeah - it's totally unnecessary but I would understand the move completely at this point.

Cancelling the season would give the players a chance to make some needed changes to the PA leadership.

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It's obvious the Fehr brothers want to control the information to the players. They constantly play on the "the players lost last CBA" angle every chance they get. They even managed to have some players (and journalists) believe the NHLPA offered 50/50 when it was delinked 50/50 with a guaranteed minimum to the players, which basically doesn't make it a split at all.

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It's obvious the Fehr brothers want to control the information to the players. They constantly play on the "the players lost last CBA" angle every chance they get. They even managed to have some players (and journalists) believe the NHLPA offered 50/50 when it was delinked 50/50 with a guaranteed minimum to the players, which basically doesn't make it a split at all.
They absolutely have to control the information

How else do they keep hundreds of players in line ?

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Yeah - it's totally unnecessary but I would understand the move completely at this point.

Cancelling the season would give the players a chance to make some needed changes to the PA leadership.
I was not a fan when the NFLPA whined to the courts. Its a cowards tactic. If the league won't give you what you want then go to the courts and make them give what you want. Courts should not be involved in CBA discussions.

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