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10-26-2012, 11:27 AM
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How many games has Gary Bettman now canceled in under 20 years ? Far more than every other sport combined

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10-26-2012, 11:37 AM
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Games cancelled through Nov 30
They are dead to me

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10-26-2012, 11:42 AM
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Unreal.


We just want to play! We want a fair deal! We're treated like animals! I'm gonna have to work for like 45 years!


Here's a pic of my new Ferrari.
Doesn't this knife cut both ways?

And does anyone really have genuine sympathy for the players?

I mean, sure, we can pick sides in a fight between billionaires and millionaires, but **** if we have to like it or feel pathos for them.

I have been supportive of the players during this, last time I supported the owners, but I have never felt sympathy for either side.

"Never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane."---The Edge

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10-26-2012, 11:47 AM
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The players need to wake up and smell the roses. The owners are prepared for the long haul, the players stand to lose far more money by dragging this out

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10-26-2012, 11:48 AM
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Me too!! My Fehr and Bettman jersey's are going in the trash when I get home.

I think the Fehr one might be a knock off anyways.

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10-26-2012, 11:55 AM
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Doesn't this knife cut both ways?

And does anyone really have genuine sympathy for the players?

I mean, sure, we can pick sides in a fight between billionaires and millionaires, but **** if we have to like it or feel pathos for them.

I have been supportive of the players during this, last time I supported the owners, but I have never felt sympathy for either side.

"Never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane."---The Edge

I don't have an ounce of sympathy for either side.


Owners: They just went through this a few years ago, and
had the chance to get it right then and F'd it up...now it's,

"Please, help save us from ourselves, we are losing money"

All while handing out 10 yr 100 mil contracts like they are mints.


Players: We gave concessions last time, why should we have
to do it again? We just want to play the game, it's the owners faults, we are being treated like animals...as players Tweet about their Ferrari's.

The fans should take both sides, put them in a locked warehouse and tell them they have 48 hours to come up with a plan that's good for the game and fair to both sides...or we are going to torch the place with them in it.

Maybe that would light a proverbial fire under their collective a$$es?

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10-26-2012, 12:04 PM
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Games cancelled through Nov 30
Link please.... thanks.

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10-26-2012, 12:10 PM
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Wait. They canceled games through nov 30th?


Lemme see them reciepts. Because nothing has been announced yet. Key word here is yet. They need to get things done quickly in order to stop that from happening.


NVM I saw it.

Vomit everywhere. Jumping off the Tobin soon.

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10-26-2012, 12:17 PM
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Link please.... thanks.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408188

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10-26-2012, 12:34 PM
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At least some players get it:

"The two sides are close enough to a deal that missing the bulk of a season is wrong and missing an entire season is not only insane, it is a blatant disregard for the sport, the fans and the culture we have grown over decades -- just to satisfy egos, not the needs of either side," Ryan Miller added.

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10-26-2012, 12:35 PM
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You know the situation is dire when that ass-hat Ryan Miller is a ray of hope.

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10-26-2012, 12:37 PM
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Doesn't this knife cut both ways?

And does anyone really have genuine sympathy for the players?

I mean, sure, we can pick sides in a fight between billionaires and millionaires, but **** if we have to like it or feel pathos for them.

I have been supportive of the players during this, last time I supported the owners, but I have never felt sympathy for either side.

"Never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane."---The Edge
I don't feel sorry for either side in this.

From an optics point of view though, posting a picture of your new Ferrari, then following it up with a post about wanting a fair deal, is a bad choice.

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10-26-2012, 12:38 PM
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You know the situation is dire when that ass-hat Ryan Miller is a ray of hope.
Pretty much.

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10-26-2012, 12:39 PM
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You know the situation is dire when that ass-hat Ryan Miller is a ray of hope.
LMAO...I thought the same exact thing but didnt want to say it!

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10-26-2012, 01:11 PM
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Time for us to all move on from the denial, and into the "acceptance" stage.


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Time for us to all move on from the denial, and into the "acceptance" stage.








I just keep repeating all three. And here we thought when Bettman said NOV 2 we would have hockey, I thought it was finally over. But no. Nothing. Nada. We lose.

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10-26-2012, 01:42 PM
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Time for us to all move on from the denial, and into the "acceptance" stage.

I'm there. Emotionally indifferent except for those whose livlihood depends on games being played.

Winning the Cup makes it much easier this go-round. Also, having a young core and not a gutted roster will ease the transition if both sides ever wake up.

At this point, the first shot that must be fired so to speak, must be Bettman falling on his sword.

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10-26-2012, 01:52 PM
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I want to see a Congressional investigation to solve this. Or maybe our President could mediate this.

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10-26-2012, 01:56 PM
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I want to see a Congressional investigation to solve this. Or maybe our President could mediate this.
Actually, IMO it's still early in the process, but it's quite possible one side will be asking the other for mediation as early as Monday.

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10-26-2012, 01:57 PM
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So if one side isn't going to remove themselves from "we must win" category the players are suppose to just let up and agree to any terms? and that goes vice versa. I hate Fehr and his weird looking/alien face.. but if bettman wants to bust the union the players shouldn't and won't just let that happen.
Not at all, dude.

I've stated multiple times that the starting point in discussions is where this all goes haywire.

What needed to happen instead, is an idea of where the NHL needed to be financially (what their goals were), what the dollar amount needed was, and then for both sides to work together to get there.

There was a collaborative effort for the CBA in 2004 (after the nonsense) and while that took an entire year to work out, the system is NOW in place and only requires some slight manipulation to get the NHL where it needs to be. Had they employed the same strategy this time around (working together) a deal would have been in place during the summer and we'd be watching hockey tonight.

As it stands, I see a lot of proposals (some unreasonable, others not) that seem to work out to arbitrary numbers. I can't see how ambiguity is a proper launching point for anything, let alone a needless "fight" between two rich factions.

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Actually, IMO it's still early in the process, but it's quite possible one side will be asking the other for mediation as early as Monday.
I hope so. I'm going back and forth between meditation and medication waiting for hockey to start up.

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10-26-2012, 02:11 PM
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Actually, IMO it's still early in the process, but it's quite possible one side will be asking the other for mediation as early as Monday.
Too bad it's a lockout instead of a strike. If it was a strike the CPC could just legislate the players back to work.

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10-26-2012, 02:15 PM
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I'm there. Emotionally indifferent except for those whose livlihood depends on games being played.

Winning the Cup makes it much easier this go-round. Also, having a young core and not a gutted roster will ease the transition if both sides ever wake up.

At this point, the first shot that must be fired so to speak, must be Bettman falling on his sword.
I think the first shot will be Jack Daniels fired into my belly as soon as I get home from work!

Gotta lose this feeling I have towards both sides...

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10-26-2012, 02:18 PM
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Actually, IMO it's still early in the process, but it's quite possible one side will be asking the other for mediation as early as Monday.
I have to work but could probably change my schedule.

It really is what they need. Everyone except the owners can see how close they are.

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10-26-2012, 02:33 PM
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I have to work but could probably change my schedule.

It really is what they need. Everyone except the owners can see how close they are.
I believe the owners, right now, are in a legal position to unilaterally impose a new CBA.

1) they wanted to start negotiating in December 2011 and the union said no.

2) They asked the union to start negotiating two more times after that and the union said no.

3) When the owners presented their last offer Don Fehr said "why didn't they make this offer in June?" Until then, the NHL had shown they were willing to negotiate 7 months prior to that.

4) The owners had a negotiable offer on the table, further confirmed by the offers made by the union that suggested they were close in numbers at the end of the deal.

We'll wait for a lawyer or law student to break that down for us "cuz I ain't smart enough." But I don't think the league would ever take that route.

However, I do believe there is "some" dissension in the player ranks and it goes back to last Thursday when they postponed the meeting with the league to have one final conference call with 92 players because those players wanted a different offer proposed. One that started at 50/50 with guaranteed contracts, but they forgot to crunch the numbers.

I also believe that the number of players that believe their union should have at least began by negotiating the parts of the NHL offer that the league deemed "negotiable" has increased as of today.

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