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10-25-2012, 03:52 AM
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He needs to find some confidence (or a piece of male anatomy, even).

He's got the tools to be a power forward (ala Erik Cole) but his lack of drive towards the net is what is holding him back. But without that willingness he's on track to be a smart, 3rd line checking winger like Pisani.

I don't think he'd make it as a defenceman. If he can't find confidence playing wing, I don't see how he will find it playing D.

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10-25-2012, 04:05 AM
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Pretty sure that Horc played C his whole career or at least most of it at MSU before turning pro.



IMO he should be kept at wing, one thing that I was thinking watching Schultz and Marincin (this applies to Petry as well) when they jump up, Paajarvi's first instinct is to book it to the point spot. This means that we won't be caught too often pinching when he is on the ice. IMO develop him as a PK specialist (his wheels are great for that role), continue to play him on the wing, and see what happens. IMO the tools are there for a long time NHLer, it just might not be in a top 6 role. However IMO he can still be a very important secondary player for us.
I agree. He has the ability to play a complete game but like myself and you surely we desire that Hossa side of the puck offensively too. You know, the one we've seen him display with confidence in the slot like Eberle has exemplified in his fully developed self.

Paajarvi will play a pivotal role going forward. That is with certainty that I say that. He will be exactly what he chooses to become at this stage. It sounds simple but his mind is in the drivers seat of his future for sure.

It's interesting to see ow much of a step he is behind A players like Hall, Ebs, Yak and Nuge though. Considering the fact that this kid is really becoming underrated playing in the pucks soft side because he's afraid to make a mistake.

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He needs to find some confidence (or a piece of male anatomy, even).


OP seems to forget how butter-soft our defense has been, and in some ways continues to be. Paajarvi on defense makes a bad situation worse.

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10-26-2012, 12:54 AM
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i disagree that mps has "the size" byfuglien has 50-60 pounds on this kid.. so poor comparison.. plus we haven't seen him skate backwards too much
Buff has 50-60 lbs on everybody ...

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I don't think Paajarvi at d is an awful idea, and it certainly isn't laughable. It's pretty obvious that he grew up a dman based on how he plays. Nicklas Grossmann is a guy who started out as a forward and converted to D. Iirc he only played one year in the AHL at D before making the NHL. Grossmann is comparable in ability to a guy like Nick Schultz. Brent Burns is an obvious one and i Would argue Paajarvi shares a similar skillset, although not as physical. It can be done and sometimes for the best, it's certainly an interesting thought in regards to Paajarvi IMO.

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10-26-2012, 10:14 PM
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I don't think Paajarvi at d is an awful idea, and it certainly isn't laughable. It's pretty obvious that he grew up a dman based on how he plays. Nicklas Grossmann is a guy who started out as a forward and converted to D. Iirc he only played one year in the AHL at D before making the NHL. Grossmann is comparable in ability to a guy like Nick Schultz. Brent Burns is an obvious one and i Would argue Paajarvi shares a similar skillset, although not as physical. It can be done and sometimes for the best, it's certainly an interesting thought in regards to Paajarvi IMO.
He's waiver eligible after this season, if they want him to become a D they had better do it now instead of at the NHL level. That said I still think that he'll be fine as a 3rd line winger that can play either side and play on the PK.

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He needs to find some confidence (or a piece of male anatomy, even).

He's got the tools to be a power forward (ala Erik Cole) but his lack of drive towards the net is what is holding him back. But without that willingness he's on track to be a smart, 3rd line checking winger like Pisani.

I don't think he'd make it as a defenceman. If he can't find confidence playing wing, I don't see how he will find it playing D.
I actually agree with your post in general but remember we are talking about a young player and there is a reason the term "sophomore jinx" exists. What especially caught my eye was your use of Erik Cole as an example of a "Power Forward". Perfectly reasonable example but if I'm remembering correctly he was a veteran player and there still was a bit of a power failure the year he was in Edmonton.

I also distinctly remember reading about how Gabriel Landeskog (a pretty good player raved about Paajarvi's strength and conditioning earlier this year. I say leave him alone and reevaluate where he fits whenever the NHL resumes.

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He's waiver eligible after this season, if they want him to become a D they had better do it now instead of at the NHL level. That said I still think that he'll be fine as a 3rd line winger that can play either side and play on the PK.
No question it needs to be done as soon as possible, and probably should have been done already. I would argue the ship has sailed and he'll be a decent forward as it is, plus the defense is going to be cluttered here soon anyways. I just wanted to comment on the idea that it's laughable or can't be done. If you have NHL skills they don't just disapear because you change positions, it's the mental aspect that a player has to overcome. Paajarvi has the ability and it's logical enough to think of him as a possible option to convert considering his history, skillset, and the team needs.

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No question it needs to be done as soon as possible, and probably should have been done already. I would argue the ship has sailed and he'll be a decent forward as it is, plus the defense is going to be cluttered here soon anyways. I just wanted to comment on the idea that it's laughable or can't be done. If you have NHL skills they don't just disapear because you change positions, it's the mental aspect that a player has to overcome. Paajarvi has the ability and it's logical enough to think of him as a possible option to convert considering his history, skillset, and the team needs.
Let's put it this way if we were down to 3D early in a game he'd be the first guy that I'd drop back to D, but I'd still rather he stay up front and be a shutdown winger TBH.

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I actually agree with your post in general but remember we are talking about a young player and there is a reason the term "sophomore jinx" exists. What especially caught my eye was your use of Erik Cole as an example of a "Power Forward". Perfectly reasonable example but if I'm remembering correctly he was a veteran player and there still was a bit of a power failure the year he was in Edmonton.

I also distinctly remember reading about how Gabriel Landeskog (a pretty good player raved about Paajarvi's strength and conditioning earlier this year. I say leave him alone and reevaluate where he fits whenever the NHL resumes.
you got a link for that interview with landeskog?

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you got a link for that interview with landeskog?
I recall him saying last year that Paajarvi "has the strongest legs in the world". I haven't heard anything more this year though.

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As to switching him to D, we have Klefbom, Smid, Marincin, and Musil coming down the pipes for LHD, if the first 3 continues progressing which one of them does he overtake? Keep him on the wing and he can replace Jones or Smyth when the time comes.

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you got a link for that interview with landeskog?
Couldn't find the interview I was thinking of but did find a short quote on a fan site about them training together and him having the strongest legs.

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/magnus-...ore=1302975703

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If anything, I think center would make more sense.

If he got above average at face-offs, he'd have some decent tools to be a 3rd line C.
This is what i have always felt (magnus at centre), but OP is not far off... Magnus played D until he was 12/13. The defensive awareness would help on a pivot role.

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