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02-03-2005, 10:10 PM
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Gilmour HOF?

before you accuse me of being a huge Gilmour homer, let me freely admit that I am...

i had never really considered it before, but i just checked up on his career stats on hockeydb.com, and i was surprised at how many points he has.

he has more points than guys like Andreychuk, Hull, Robitaille, Shanahan, and a number of other guys who are mentioned as possible or probable hall of famers (obviously hull will be). hell, he has more points than Kurri, Sittler, McDonald, Mullen, Goulet, Gartner, Lafleur, etc (that's just me going through a list of fairly recent inductees). obviously longevity has something to do with that, but there's something to be said for longevity as well.

great captain, great leader. played for his country, won a cup, over 1 ppg in the playoffs, (and from what i hear probably would have won the heart trophy in 1992/93 if not for some guy named lemieux scoring 160 points in 60 games).

he was a fierce competitor, with great leadership, desire, and heart. all in all a fantastic two way player.

so that's my case. verdict?

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I think he will get in for sure. He was one of the few players to average more than a point per game in the playoffs.

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for sure. one of the greatest captains and leaders all time. second in playoff points only behind gretz... this guy is a lock. even tho he only played a season and a bit with the habs, this guy has ALWAYS had my respect. even while he was with the leafs. to command a habs fan respect while playing with the leafs means something. CLASS ACT.

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of course, he played for the Leafs.

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I think he will get in for sure. His longevity is amazing and his point totals in the playoffs are awesome. The things I'll remember the most about him are his character and leadership but also when he broke the penalty box glass during the playoffs man that was hell of a swing. I'll always remember that.

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He's probably borderline a HOFer.

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More heart and soul then any player I've ever seen, and by more then a small margin... beyond that I'm not touching this thread.

This is one area I'm definitely too biased to offer a worthwhile opinion.

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He's a Hall of Famer, especially given the fairly low standards these days, but it's not because of a lot of the sentimental blabber that many will use to support his candidacy. Take away all the mushy stuff and there's still a hall of fame career left, but not by anywhere near as much as many will make it sound.

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He's a Hall of Famer, especially given the fairly low standards these days, but it's not because of a lot of the sentimental blabber that many will use to support his candidacy. Take away all the mushy stuff and there's still a hall of fame career left, but not by anywhere near as much as many will make it sound.
i wish mods would start closing threads when posts like these are made..

nothing really is left to be said, nice post

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of course, he played for the Leafs.
oh please, save the bitterness for when i make my Jamie McCown HOF thread...

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for sure. one of the greatest captains and leaders all time. second in playoff points only behind gretz... this guy is a lock. even tho he only played a season and a bit with the habs, this guy has ALWAYS had my respect. even while he was with the leafs. to command a habs fan respect while playing with the leafs means something. CLASS ACT.
well said

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Being a Leaf fan aside, I have a hard time believing that someone could even ask this question, he's a HOFer, no doubt about it.

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second in playoff points only behind gretz.
Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, and Hull all have more.

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before you accuse me of being a huge Gilmour homer, let me freely admit that I am...

i had never really considered it before, but i just checked up on his career stats on hockeydb.com, and i was surprised at how many points he has.

he has more points than guys like Andreychuk, Hull, Robitaille, Shanahan, and a number of other guys who are mentioned as possible or probable hall of famers (obviously hull will be). hell, he has more points than Kurri, Sittler, McDonald, Mullen, Goulet, Gartner, Lafleur, etc (that's just me going through a list of fairly recent inductees). obviously longevity has something to do with that, but there's something to be said for longevity as well.

great captain, great leader. played for his country, won a cup, over 1 ppg in the playoffs, (and from what i hear probably would have won the heart trophy in 1992/93 if not for some guy named lemieux scoring 160 points in 60 games).

he was a fierce competitor, with great leadership, desire, and heart. all in all a fantastic two way player.

so that's my case. verdict?

I think Gilmour is a tad overrated but that's mostly because HNIC (mainly Don Cherry) treats him like he's god. in terms of air time on coach's corner.... gilmour has gotta be right up there in air time.

Having said that.... gilmour is still a solid hall of famer

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Pat lafontaine is in.....why would'nt Gilmour be in then?

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As much as I dislike the Leafs, he's gotta be in there. He's one of Toronto's best players of all time, he lead the team for so many years, and his consistency was scary. He's in for sure.

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Gilmour is a hall of famer

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One of the greatest playoff performers.

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i wonder what cap he'll wear on his plaque.

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He definitely has the points, but he got most of them them in an era where even the likes of Craig Janney were getting 100 pts. He definitely played with ferocious intensity and was a clutch player. Pierre Turgeon has almost identical stats minus the penalties. Since I would consider Turgeon as a HoF candidate when he retires, I guess Gilmour would have to be considered also.

Where Gilmour loses it for me is not what he did on the ice but what he did off the ice. If Pete Rose (arguably the best baseball player in history) can't get into the baseball HoF because of the off field stuff, I would use the same argument for Gilmour.

His "adventures in babysitting", his walking out on the Flames (a legit cup contender at the time) in mid season, are all well documented and can certainly be looked up for any one not familiar with his escapades. Certainly not the actions of a "great team captain" or leader. Maybe he was great in toronto (BTW remember why they traded him to the devils?), but he certainly created lots of off ice headaches for the Blues and Flames with his behaviour. How much weight does that carry for entry into the HoF? Who knows.

If he had never played in toronto, I suspect he would have a bit of a wait before going in. The fact he played on a major market team, probably pushes him in on his first year of eligibility. Whereas Turgeon may have to wait a longer period of time after he retires.

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Agreed. If you don't think so you didn't watch him play in his prime.

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No question in my mind.

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i wonder what cap he'll wear on his plaque.
Toronto's.

His best years were here.

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A Selke, a cup, and 1400 points says yes. One of the best players of the 90s.

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