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Dreger: Stalemate in CBA negotiations

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10-24-2012, 12:22 PM
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Dreger: Stalemate in CBA negotiations

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Unless one side has a sudden change of heart, it appears collective bargaining agreement discussions between the NHL and the NHL Players' Association have reached a stalemate.

No meetings are scheduled and it doesn't appear as if there will be any scheduled in the immediate future.

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10-24-2012, 12:23 PM
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Just cancel the season already.

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The end to this mess will be interesting.

Both sides look incompetent, one will look moreso.

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10-24-2012, 12:33 PM
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Wish the NHL would just say "Accept our offer (minor tweaks), or we cancel the season." Then give them till tomorrow at midnight.

That way the players would call and maybe we'd get this over with.

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10-24-2012, 12:36 PM
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Wish the NHL would just say "Accept our offer (minor tweaks), or we cancel the season." Then give them till tomorrow at midnight.

That way the players would call and maybe we'd get this over with.
Agreed, let's stop delaying the inevitable and just cancel it.

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Wish the NHL would just say "Accept our offer (minor tweaks), or we cancel the season." Then give them till tomorrow at midnight.

That way the players would call and maybe we'd get this over with.
They aren't far enough apart for an ultimatum. The NHL will just wait until the NHLPA starts losing real paychecks and they will come back to the table in December and the season will probably start in January. Around 60 games is my guess.

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Just cancel the season already.
Yup. They might as well come out and say it and then watch the union crumble. In my opinion, cancelling the season would be the quickest way to get a deal done at this point.

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10-24-2012, 12:41 PM
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Yup. They might as well come out and say it and then watch the union crumble. In my opinion, cancelling the season would be the quickest way to get a deal done at this point.
The possbility of playing games is just a hindrance to the negotiations on both sides. I'd like for this not to happen again for quite some time, at least sign a 6 year deal if not more.

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Players would lose more this if this entire season was lost, than accepting the deal that the NHL had given, no?

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Players would lose more this if this entire season was lost, than accepting the deal that the NHL had given, no?
They lose more if 15 games are lost, than if they take the owners offer as is with out any further negotiations.

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Players would lose more this if this entire season was lost, than accepting the deal that the NHL had given, no?
I just can't understand how the sides can't work out a reasonable way to have the "soft landing" the PA is looking for. It's absolutely ridiculous that the sides can agree on the core issues, but pride and ego is apparently stopping them from figuring out a way to bridge a very bridgeable gap.

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I just can't understand how the sides can't work out a reasonable way to have the "soft landing" the PA is looking for. It's absolutely ridiculous that the sides can agree on the core issues, but pride and ego is apparently stopping them from figuring out a way to bridge a very bridgeable gap.
Fehr.

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Bettman and Batterman.

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Just cancel the season already.
Don't say that!

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Fehr.
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Bettman and Batterman.

think it's all of them.

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I just can't understand how the sides can't work out a reasonable way to have the "soft landing" the PA is looking for. It's absolutely ridiculous that the sides can agree on the core issues, but pride and ego is apparently stopping them from figuring out a way to bridge a very bridgeable gap.
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Fehr.
Bettman.

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I just can't understand how the sides can't work out a reasonable way to have the "soft landing" the PA is looking for. It's absolutely ridiculous that the sides can agree on the core issues, but pride and ego is apparently stopping them from figuring out a way to bridge a very bridgeable gap.
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Don't say that!






think it's all of them.
It is all of them. For every Gaff from Bettman there's an equal one from Fehr and vice versa. At this point both are holding up negotiations with posturing. Anyone who refuses to see both parties faults and delays is very biased in their opinion.

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If they don't settle immediately, as a fan and season ticket holder I would much rather they just cancel the season and take these overpaid *******s to the cleaners with a 60/40 or 55/45 split after they lose an entire year of wages.

wake the **** up NHLPA

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I got the feeling right from the start that Bettman didn't want this season to happen.

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Players would lose more this if this entire season was lost, than accepting the deal that the NHL had given, no?
Actually by the 26th when they cannot salvage October's games, they've lost approximately 11% (correction) of their salary I believe.

They are currently fighting over 12.3%?


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I got the feeling right from the start that Bettman didn't want this season to happen.
Yet, after stumbling upon a great CBA in 2005, the PA decided to bring in the notorious Donald Fehr.

That doesn't dissolve Bettman's responsibility, but it does suggest anybody could see this coming.

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I cant figure out why anybody even talks about how much money the players are losing this year. As far as I ever knew, this season was a lost cause from the start.

The lockout, and both side's positions, are not about short term recovery (well, except for the owner's insistence that salaries be slashed immediately to get to 50/50). The NHLPA isn't approaching this lockout from the standpoint of "save as much salary right now as possible". Their approach is "what serves NHLPA members best in the long run".

Again, I find it funny that so many people decry the players for being greedy and selfish when as a matter of principle they are all sacrificing short term gain for the long term benefit of future NHLPA members. I would characterize the NHLPA's position as quite distinctly un-selfish.

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This is getting more and more ridiculous by the day.

Also, certain posters here are going way over the top. Cancel the season? Come on. Right now the deadline talk revolves around whether they will play a full season or a partial one.

From a fan's perspective, I couldn't give a damn whether they play a full 82 games or not. There's no way I can watch all those games in a compressed schedule. I'd be perfectly happy with about 60. Actually, I'd be perfectly happy if EVERY season had 60 games. There's something ridiculous about watching hockey in June.

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