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11-12-2012, 10:04 PM
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Make an All-Star team from non-playoff teams

2006
Vancouver
LA
MINN
Phoenix
Columbus
Chicago
St. Louis
Toronto
Atlanta
Florida
NYI
Boston
Washington
PITT

Alex Ovechkin - Sidney Crosby - Marian Hossa
Ilya Kovalchuk - Mats Sundin - Pavol Demitra
Daniel Sedin - Marc Savard - Miroslav Satan
Rick Nash - Olli Jokinen - Marian Gaborik
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Markus Naslund - Darcy Tucker - Anson Carter
David Vyborny - Patrice Bergeron - Brian Rolston


Lubomir Visnovsky - Sami Salo
Brent Seabrook - Niclas Havelid
Jay Bouwmeester - Brian McCabe
Sergei Gonchar
[spares]
Alexei Zhitnik - Mike Van Ryn


Manny Fernandez
Roberto Luongo
[spare]
Kari Lehtonen


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11-12-2012, 11:03 PM
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You'll have to explain the rules because I'm not sure how you got the team you have

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You'll have to explain the rules because I'm not sure how you got the team you have
Yeah the "1995" makes no sense to me

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Take a year.

Look at the teams that didn't make it to the playoffs.

Look at the players and their achievements for the year.

Create an all-star team.

I'm restless with no 2012-13 season going on and to fill time I was just curious about some of the players that had excellent seasons during any particular year but still couldn't get into the playoffs despite that....then make a team of them and just for the sake of argument, muse as to how effective they may have been.

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11-13-2012, 11:40 AM
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Do you mean 2005 because quite a few of those players weren't playing in 1995. And surely there was a better goalie from a non-playoff team than Manny Fernandez.

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Well your 1995 then listing current players has me baffled...but I'll give it a go.

2002 - 2003 non-playoff teams:
New York Rangers
Montreal Canadiens
Atlanta Thrashers
Buffalo Sabres
Florida Panthers
Pittsburgh Penguins
Carolina Hurricanes
Chicago Blackhawks
Los Angeles Kings
Phoenix Coyotes
Calgary Flames
Nashville Predators
San Jose Sharks
Columbus Blue Jackets

Dany Heatley - Mario Lemieux - Teemu Selanne
Ilya Kovalchuk - Olli Jokinen - Alex Kovalev
Ray Whitney - Patrick Marleau - Ziggy Palffy
Miroslav Satan - Daniel Briere - Shane Doan

Kimmo Timonen - Brian Leetch
Jay Bouwmeester - Teppo Numminen
Lubomir Visnovsky - Alexei Zhitnik

Sean Burke
Tomas Vokoun

coach: Bob Hartley

well...it's an all-star team, so no doubt this would have been the team to beat that year.

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I dot understand the Crosby in 1995

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Do you mean 2005 because quite a few of those players weren't playing in 1995. And surely there was a better goalie from a non-playoff team than Manny Fernandez.

Why 2005? There were no playoffs at all in 2005, is this 06?

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Some of those teams made the playoffs in 95

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Do you mean 2005 because quite a few of those players weren't playing in 1995. And surely there was a better goalie from a non-playoff team than Manny Fernandez.
DOH!!!!!
Yeah, 2006.

I originally thought about having the all-star team since the last lock-out but then decided on doing it by the year.

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1995-96 (the season Hasek and Brodeur both missed the playoffs) (Corrected team in post 15)

Missed:

New Jersey Devils
New York Islanders
Hartford Whalers
Buffalo Sabres
Ottawa Senators
Dallas Stars
Mighty Ducks of Anaheim
Edmonton Oilers
Los Angeles Kings
San Jose Sharks

Brendan Shanahan - Pat Lafontaine - Zigmund Palffy
Paul Kariya - Mike Modano - Owen Nolan
Zdeno Ciger - Doug Weight - Daniel Alfredsson
Steve Thomas - Wayne Gretzky - Bill Guerin

Spares: Andrew Cassels, Geoff Sanderson, Travis Green

Scott Stevens - Scott Niedermayer
Kevin Hatcher - Derian Hatcher
Jeff Brown - Glen Wesley

Spare: Mathieu Schneider

Dominik Hasek
Martin Brodeur
Sean Burke

Selanne played most of the year for the Jets who made the playoffs, the end of the year for the Ducks who didn't.


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Lets see if I can get the actual season right this time

1976-77

NYR
Vancouver
Colorado Rockies
Cleveland Barons
Washington
Detroit

Steve Vickers - Phil Esposito - Rod Gilbert
Gary Croteau - Don Lever - Wilf Paiement
Pat Hickey - Dennis Maruk - Don Murdoch
Gerry Monahan - Walt Tkaczuk - Al MacAdam
[spares]
Rod Sedlbauer - Guy Charron - Rick Blight
Garnet Bailey - Gerry Meehan / Paul Gardner - Bob Murdoch

Ron Greschner - Tom Edur
Carol Vadnais - Mike Christie
Harold Snepsts - Dennis Kearns
Mike Kitchen
[spares]
Mike McEwen - Yvon Labre


Gilles Meloche
John Dasvidson
[spare]
Cesare Maniago

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1995-96 (the season Hasek and Brodeur both missed the playoffs)

Missed:

New Jersey Devils
New York Islanders
Hartford Whalers
Buffalo Sabres
Ottawa Senators
Dallas Stars
Mighty Ducks of Anaheim
Edmonton Oilers
Los Angeles Kings
San Jose Sharks

Brendan Shanahan - Pat Lafontaine - Zigmund Palffy
Paul Kariya - Mike Modano - Owen Nolan
Zdeno Ciger - Doug Weight - Daniel Alfredsson
Steve Thomas - Wayne Gretzky - Bill Guerin

Spares: Andrew Cassels, Geoff Sanderson, Travis Green

Scott Stevens - Scott Niedermayer
Kevin Hatcher - Derian Hatcher
Jeff Brown - Glen Wesley

Spare: Mathieu Schneider

Dominik Hasek
Martin Brodeur
Sean Burke

Selanne was injured most of the season, so I didn't include him
Thats a pretty good team.

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1995-96

Selanne was injured most of the season, so I didn't include him
No, he wasn't. He played for two teams and scored 40 goals and 108 points.

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No, he wasn't. He played for two teams and scored 40 goals and 108 points.
Doh... you're right, got my years wrong. Still don't think we can count him, as he played the majority of the year for the Jets who beat out the Duck by 1 point to make the playoffs.

If you include Selanne, he bumps Guerin or Alfredsson off the team:

1995-96

Paul Kariya - Pat Lafontaine - Teemu Selanne
Brendan Shanahan - Doug Weight - Zigmund Palffy
Zdeno Ciger - Mike Modano - Owen Nolan
Steve Thomas - Andrew Cassels - Bill Guerin

Spares: Geoff Sanderson - Travis Green - Daniel Alfredsson

Scott Stevens - Scott Niedermayer
Kevin Hatcher - Derian Hatcher
Jeff Brown - Glen Wesley

Spare: Mathieu Schneider

Dominik Hasek
Martin Brodeur
Sean Burke


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1987-88

Vancouver
Toronto
Minn North Stars
NYR
Pittsburgh
Hartford
Quebec

Michel Goulet - Mario Lemieux - Dino Ciccarelli
Brian Bellows - Peter Stastny - Tony Tanti
Randy Cunneyworth - Dan Quinn - Anton Stastny
Petri Skriko - Walt Podubny - Tomas Sandstrom
[spares]
Brian Mullen - Kelly Kisio - Ulf Dahlen
John Ogrodnick - Marcel Dionne - Rob Brown / Ed Olcyk


Borje Salming - Paul Coffey
James Patrick - Frantisek Musil
Jim Benning - Ulf Samuelsson
Michel Petit
[spares]
Al Iafrate - Dave Babych
Steve Finn - Jeff Brown


John Vanbiesbrouck
Mike Liut
[spare]
Mario Gosselin

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Doh... you're right, got my years wrong. Still don't think we can count him, as he played the majority of the year for the Jets who beat out the Duck by 1 point to make the playoffs.

If you include Selanne, he bumps Guerin or Alfredsson off the team.
Also, you have Gretzky on there, and he played in the playoffs with St. Louis after most of the season with Los Angeles. Pretty much the inverse of the Selanne situation.

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Also, you have Gretzky on there, and he played in the playoffs with St. Louis after most of the season with Los Angeles. Pretty much the inverse of the Selanne situation.
Yeah, I was just looking at who a guy played the majority of the season with. I think whether they ended the season in the playoffs is a better way to do it. The new re-edited team is in post 15

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1989-90:

Joe Sakic/Mario Lemieux/Guy Lafleur
Gerard Gallant/Steve Yzerman/Rick Tocchet
John Cullen/Peter Stastny/Rob Brown
Murray Craven/Shawn Burr/Trevor Linden

Paul Coffey/Kjell Samuelson
Mark Howe/Steve Chiasson
Paul Reinhart/Borje Salming

Ken Wregget
Kirk McLean
Tim Cheveldae

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2011-12
Benn - Stamkos - St. Louis
Moulson - Tavares - Kessel
Eriksson - Staal - Iginla
Parenteau - Lupul - Perry
Eberle

Phaneuf - Byfuglien
Johnson - Bouwmeester
Streit - Subban
Enstrom

Lehtonen
Kiprusoff



Not sure if we were supposed to, but I factored in stuff like chemistry/line building.

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1969-70

Habs
Kings
Leafs
Flyers

Lemaire Beliveau Cournoyer
Redmond Keon Ellis
Ulman H.Richard Rousseau
M.Walton B.Clarke Dornhoefer


J.Laperierre S.Savard
JC Tremblay Harper
J.Mckenny T.Harris


Parent
Vachon

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1969-70

Habs
Kings
Leafs
Flyers

Lemaire Beliveau Cournoyer
Redmond Keon Ellis
Ulman H.Richard Rousseau
M.Walton B.Clarke Dornhoefer


J.Laperierre S.Savard
JC Tremblay Harper
J.Mckenny T.Harris


Parent
Vachon
This is a sick team.....

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1966-67....the last season of the original 6.
Detroit
Boston

Dean Prentice - Norm Ullman - Gordie Howe
Johnny Bucyk - Alex Delvecchio - Johnny McKenzie
Ted Hampson (off-wing) - Pit Martin - Ed Westfall
Paul Henderson - Ron Stewart - Bruce MacGregor
Wayne Connelly

Bobby Orr - Gary Bergman
Leo Boivin - Ted Green
Gilles Marotte - Joe Watson
Bryan Watson


Gerry Cheevers
Roger Crozier

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1967-68....first season of expansion
Toronto
Detroit
Pittsburgh
Oakland

Bob Pulford - Dave Keon - Gordie Howe
Frank Mahovlich - Norm Ullman - Ron Ellis
Ab McDonald - Mike Walton - Floyd Smith
Dean Prentice - Alex Delvecchio - Andy Bathgate
[spares]
Gary Jarrett - Murray Oliver - Bill Hicke

Marcel Pronovost - Tim Horton
Howie Young - Larry Hillamn
Kent Douglas - Leo Boivin
Allan Stanley
[spares]
Duane Rupp - Larry Cahan / Bob Baun


Les Binkley
Johnny Bower
[spares]
Charlie Hodge
Bruce Gamble

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1993

minnesota
tampa bay
hartford
ottawa
edmonton
san jose
philadelphia
new york rangers

other than the patrick division, those are some awful teams at the bottom of the league-- which helps to explain why so many first line players had career offensive field days that year.

counting guys from that year (not young guys who would get better, or old guys who were a shadow of what they had been, and factoring in injuries-- i.e., no leetch)--


graves lindros recchi
corson messier modano (was playing RW that year, or had he switched to center by then?)
tikkanen brind'amour r. courtnall
verbeek kisio dahlen

reserve line of unspectacular guys on careers years: cassels bradley sanderson (really should have gone with guys like gartner, dineen, maybe even scott mellanby who was having a bad season, but look what those three guys did as the go-to scorers on bad teams in a wide-open year...)

tinordi manson
weinrich patrick
ludwig muni
yushkevich

vanbiesbrouck
richter
burke


really hard to put together six good d-men who weren't one-way liabilities (zalapski, galley, maciver). james patrick himself is not ideal. hell, dave manson too though at least he was a tough customer. really goes to show just how bad the non-playoff teams were that year.

but i tried to put this lineup together like an actual expansion team. best possible players on the top two lines (and those are some really great players obviously), best possible checkers to form a shutdown line, and gritty energy guys at the bottom of the lineup. team defense and toughness trumps weak scorers who will lose a lot of 7-3 games. tough to play against-- maybe like a super-charged version of the post-expansion panthers a few years later.

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