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01-28-2013, 02:40 AM
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If Phoenix doesn't move, I hope the NHL's next couple rounds of expansion use one-for-one approach with respect to Canadian and American markets. It seems financially prudent, because one will be a sure-fire success, whereas the other will need time to develop into a success if properly managed. With revenue sharing, one will help the other out.

If Phoenix stays, the next round of expansion, probably within 15 years, will be Quebec and Seattle. After that, which may be 25 years or more down the line, I would hope for Hamilton and (Portland / Salt Lake City / Kansas City / Omaha -- probably Kansas City is the best bet, because Portland and SLC have NBA teams, and Omaha is a bit small population-wise. Also, Kansas City is a somewhat cold weather market, and the rivalry with St. Louis would be intense!).

After that, you're looking out into the future; about 35-40 years from now -- so it is hard to predict. Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge (I'll refer to it as Waterloo, the regional name) would, by then, have enough of a population (~800K, with nearby locales like Guelph, which would add another ~200K) to support an NHL team. So maybe Waterloo and (Portland / Salt Lake City / Omaha). But anyways, that's rather far out into the future.

I'm a little hesitant about Houston, which many consider to be an ideal candidate, just because it is a saturated sports market with warm weather. I feel like the NHL should focus on using the profits from the NorthEast/MidWest/Canadian teams to ensure the stability and growth of the numerous, already existing, southern US markets. There's a lot of work to be done there. Even if there are success stories already emerging in southern US markets, I feel like the NHL could do a lot more with respect to installing numerous rinks in those locales, subsidizing equipment for underprivileged children in the area, and trying to introduce hockey into school physical education curricula.

Within this century, I could see a 40-team NHL.
4 additional Canadian markets: Quebec City, Hamilton, Waterloo, Saskatoon (approx. 60 years from now, it should be suitable)
6 additional American markets: Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake City, Kansas City, Omaha, and Houston


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01-28-2013, 03:26 AM
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I spotted the Milwaukee Admirals wearing these just
after Christmas this year... dont know why. Anyone?

www.facebook.com/photo.php?.fb...type=3&theater

(link doesnt work, but its "out there", Diques uni's...)
Guessing you're talking about this.



Those are their jerseys from the 79-80 season to commemorate 35 years in professional hockey. The jerseys were auctioned off after the game and proceeds went to the Admirals Power Play Foundation.

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01-28-2013, 07:00 AM
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ITT: CHR is still ******** about losing the Atlanta Knights to Qc.

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PKP is meeting with Trois-Rivières mayor to run the new arena there to put the soon to be new NHL team in Québec AHL affiliate there.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-nouvellist...0_article_POS1

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01-28-2013, 09:27 AM
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The Remparts draw well do they not?
Upon their return in 1997 they played two season at the Laval University PEPS Arena which has an official 2000 places capacity but their average was at 2130 for 98/99 season. In 1999, they moved to the Colisée Pepsi where their attendance jumped to 4732 average and then went down to 3371 for the next two seasons.

It is important to note that from 1999 to 2002 they had to share the Colisée with the Citadelles (currently Hamilton Bulldogs) which impact their numbers negatively.

From 2002-03 season their average jumped to 5933 and had a consistent growth rate that is currently sitting at 11724 for 2011-12 season.

In 2009-2010 they set the QJMHL and CHL record for single season assistance with 410981, which gives them an average of 12088 per game.

Except for their home opener (usually a sellout) they draw between 8-9000 for the games before Christmas, after the holidays numbers go up to 11-12000 and end up sellouts for most of the games at the end of the season.

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01-28-2013, 10:25 AM
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Except for their home opener (usually a sellout) they draw between 8-9000 for the games before Christmas, after the holidays numbers go up to 11-12000 and end up sellouts for most of the games at the end of the season.
Sounds like a certain NHL team (or slightly better)

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01-28-2013, 10:51 AM
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Yeah, at least according to Wikipedia (SO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT), the Ramparts lead the CHL in attendance, at least as of 2010-11.

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1. Quebec Remparts (QMJHL) 10928.9
2. London Knights (OHL) 8947.5
3. Calgary Hitmen (WHL) 8263.1
4. Ottawa 67's (OHL) 7880.6
5. Vancouver Giants (WHL) 7044.4
6. Spokane Chiefs (WHL) 6439
7. Kitchener Rangers (OHL) 6340.6
8. Windsor Spitfires (OHL) 6111
9. Kelowna Rockets (WHL) 6078.1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...gue#Attendance

Definitely nothing to shake a stick at.

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PKP is meeting with Trois-Rivières mayor to run the new arena there to put the soon to be new NHL team in Québec AHL affiliate there.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-nouvellist...0_article_POS1
That's awesome news!

I felt really bad for them after they were refused a CHL team. But they'll have the last laugh with an AHL team having the hockey market of Trois-Rivière all for itself!

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According to canoe.ca the french part the meeting was canceled and rumours at this time are false about ahl club.Wonder if there was pressure to cancel from nhl

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According to canoe.ca the french part the meeting was canceled and rumours at this time are false about ahl club.Wonder if there was pressure to cancel from nhl
Well Quebecor is trying to run many arenas, they also were in the biiding war to run the new Laval arena. The Ahl part might be speculation from journalist, which in the long might become true.

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01-28-2013, 01:51 PM
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Yeah, at least according to Wikipedia (SO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT), the Ramparts lead the CHL in attendance, at least as of 2010-11.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...gue#Attendance

Definitely nothing to shake a stick at.
Official stats can be found here for 2009-2010 : http://38.108.70.85/lang_fr/index.ph...ndenciesByTeam
For 2009-2010 Total : 410981 / Average (34 home games) : 12088

For 2010-2011 : http://chlcluster.leaguestat.com/dow...011-03-21.html
For 2010-2011 Total : 397,129 / Average (34 home games) : 11,680

Interesting fact, for 2010-2011, lowest attendance was 9440 (home game #7 out of 34) and that season only two games had attendance below 10k, the other game was at 9822 (home game #2). The highest attendance game was at 14964 (home game #32 out of 34) which is 212 tickets shy of a sellout.


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I am now thinking Greg Jamison was a decoy until the CBA was signed and Phoenix will be somewhere else next October.

Quebecor could write the check as early as Friday.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...nclick_check=1


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That would be the best birthday gift ever.

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I'm going off topic here, but stumbled across this on youtube :


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I am now thinking Greg Jamison was a decoy until the CBA was signed and Phoenix will be somewhere else next October.

Quebecor could write the check as early as Friday.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...nclick_check=1

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“There are a lot of moving parts. It’s very difficult to explain how many moving parts there are to put it all together. Rather than constantly going into that with people – people are a little tired of hearing that – I think they would just prefer to have an announcement, one way or the other, at an appropriate time,” he said.

http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/we...ve-owner-says/

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I'm going off topic here, but stumbled across this on youtube :

Ah! Ah! I love the crappy intro music!!

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I'm going off topic here, but stumbled across this on youtube :

My God! That was real hockey

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My God! That was real hockey
Talking about the good old time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUiiRTzsazg

Possibly the most exciting goal in Nordiques history!!

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simply put whatever is after the = sign in yt link option

Ex:
[Yt]aUiiRTzsazg[YT]

not
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simply put whatever is after the = sign in yt link option

Ex:
[Yt]aUiiRTzsazg[YT]

not
[yT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUiiRTzsazg[YT]

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Thanks man

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You Tube has a handful of Nordiques games.....some in their entirety

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Upon their return in 1997 they played two season at the Laval University PEPS Arena which has an official 2000 places capacity but their average was at 2130 for 98/99 season. In 1999, they moved to the Colisée Pepsi where their attendance jumped to 4732 average and then went down to 3371 for the next two seasons.

It is important to note that from 1999 to 2002 they had to share the Colisée with the Citadelles (currently Hamilton Bulldogs) which impact their numbers negatively.

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In 2009-2010 they set the QJMHL and CHL record for single season assistance with 410981, which gives them an average of 12088 per game.

Except for their home opener (usually a sellout) they draw between 8-9000 for the games before Christmas, after the holidays numbers go up to 11-12000 and end up sellouts for most of the games at the end of the season.
The remparts haven't sold out their home opener since years. I went to every home opener since 2008 and they never drew over 13K. The only time they ever sold out a home opener was against Chicoutimi. Their attendance average has been over 10K since the Memorial cup, though.

Also fun fact about the Remparts: In multiple occasions, they announced sellouts, but the announced attendance is always slightly below capacity. Unlike the NHL, I think the Remparts attendance doesn't count walkup tickets that are unused. In one occasion I went to a game that had clearly close to 14500, yet they announced 13500. On the other hand, they include free tickets in attendance figures.

1997-98 - >2,000
1998-99 - 2,122
1999-00 - 4,734 (moved to Colisée)
2000-01 - 3,555
2001-02 - 3,349
2002-03 - 5,570
2003-04 - 5,933
2004-05 - 6,920
2005-06 - 8,604 (Won memorial cup)
2006-07 - 10,446
2007-08 - 11,163 (Colisée capacity reduced from 15,399 to 15,176)
2008-09 - 11,722
2009-10 - 12,088
2010-11 - 11,680
2011-12 - 11,724
2012-13 - 10,765 (through 23 games)


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Former San Jose Sharks CEO Greg Jamison, the main suitor for the Phoenix Coyotes for the past year, cannot produce the capital needed to purchase the team from the NHL and as a result a Jan. 31 deadline to maintain a critical lease agreement with the City of Glendale will pass without a deal being completed, multiple sources have told ESPN.com.


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Yeah, it almost sounds like I could've raised as much money as him....

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