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Was the NHL's first offer such an insult?

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10-26-2012, 07:31 PM
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Was the NHL's first offer such an insult?

3 facts:

- League probably viewed 50% as a reasonable to high end goal. Players started at 57%. League started at 43%. 50% was dead in the middle.

- Baseball, football and basketball all pay their players 50% or less.

- Baseball, football and basketball all have better TV deals, which means their owners get higher revenue without raising fixed costs (i.e., an NHL owner probably pays out more for every dollar they rake in, meaning, if anything, the NHL should give players less).


What was so unreasonable about starting at 43% that the PA shouldn't even be able to negotiate? I don't believe for a second that Bettman is to blame for Fehr negotiating badly because he gave a low first offer. That's exactly how negotiations are supposed to run. Any thoughts?

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I thought it was the other conditions that got everyone upset, not the percentage.

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It really wasn't insulting.. The 57/43 for the owners is just a flip of current numbers. Instead people try to make drama out of it.

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The NHLPA knew they'd have to give in this CBA, so their tactic was to not negotiate with the NHL period for a few months to try and gain some leverage.

I would say that approach has largely been a failure to this point.

They should've just gotten on with it and submitted a real counter proposal within a week or two and gotten the process rolling.

Of course the first offer is going to be basically a "dream scenario", to sit there and be insulted (or faux insulted) by it when it's just a common negotiating tactic is just stupid.

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It was insulting in how much they wanted back, including what was essentially a 24% cut.... Is actually sounds like it was meant to incite.

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The NHLPA knew they'd have to give in this CBA, so their tactic was to not negotiate with the NHL period for a few months to try and gain some leverage.

I would say that approach has largely been a failure to this point.

They should've just gotten on with it and submitted a real counter proposal within a week or two and gotten the process rolling.

Of course the first offer is going to be basically a "dream scenario", to sit there and be insulted (or faux insulted) by it when it's just a common negotiating tactic is just stupid.
And it will end up finishing a failure especially if they lose a full season

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3 facts:

- League probably viewed 50% as a reasonable to high end goal. Players started at 57%. League started at 43%. 50% was dead in the middle.

- Baseball, football and basketball all pay their players 50% or less.

- Baseball, football and basketball all have better TV deals, which means their owners get higher revenue without raising fixed costs (i.e., an NHL owner probably pays out more for every dollar they rake in, meaning, if anything, the NHL should give players less).


What was so unreasonable about starting at 43% that the PA shouldn't even be able to negotiate? I don't believe for a second that Bettman is to blame for Fehr negotiating badly because he gave a low first offer. That's exactly how negotiations are supposed to run. Any thoughts?
NHL's first offer was trash. 24% rollback with another 18% or so in escrow on top of it. Then there were the contract details, which were also trash. Second offer was only marginally better.

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NHL's first offer was trash. 24% rollback with another 18% or so in escrow on top of it. Then there were the contract details, which were also trash. Second offer was only marginally better.
Not sure how 24% rollback is "trash." You plan on meeting at 50, you know the other side is starting at 57, why wouldn't you start at 43?

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No it wasn't. It wasn't fair, but it never was intended to be.

Just PR for the players....who have epically failed that aspect since the lockout started.

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