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11-21-2012, 12:04 PM
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90s defensive dmen

Criteria for 90s defensive dmen: played at least 5 seasons (with let's say 60+ games in each) in the 90s and were LOW SCORING dmen. This means no Lidstrom or Bourque or MacInnis or Pronger or whichever other elite dman people like to name. Of course some defensive dmen are good at moving the puck up even if they don't put up pts which is fine. Here's an aggregate list of a tonne of them. Obviously not all these guys are great but how would you rank a few of them....top 10 or 13 maybe? There's the big three, Stevens/Foote/Hatcher (I'll exclude a few of the big 80s ones like Langway/Lowe/MacCrimmon). Now obviously some of these guys are not defensive dmen, they were just dmen who were lower scoring and I realize a few like Brisebois are borderline and I'll remove them if someone insists but I just wanted to make a big list to help jog memory.

Stevens
Foote
Hatcher
Ken Daneyko
Dmitri Yushkevich
Eric Weinrich
Fredrik Olausson
Craig Ludwig
Ulf Samuelsson
Boris Mironov
Dave Ellett
Kjell Samuelsson
Jeff Beukeboom
Mike Ramsey
Kenny Jonsson
Dave Babych
Craig Muni
Sylvain Lefebvre
Mattias Norstrom
Fran Musil
Mark Tinordi
Darius Kasparaitis
Marcus Ragnarsson
Rich Matvichuk
Luke Richardson
Marty McSorley
Lyle Odelein
Jyrki Lumme (borderline defensive dman)
Todd Gill
Gerald Diduck
Jamie Macoun
Stephane Quintal
Patrice Brisebois
Gord Murphy
Jom Klemm
Petr Svoboda
Marc Bergevin
Vladimir Konstantinov
Joe Reekie
Don Sweeney
Tommy Albelin
Uwe Krupp
Keith Carney
Richard Smehlik
Alex Karpovtsev
Doug Houda
Curtis Leschyshyn
Alexei Gusarov
Brett Hedican
Murray Baron
Jason Smith
Peter Popovic
Steven Finn
Bob Rouse
Scott Lachance
Karl Dykhuis
Chris Therien
Shawn Chambers
Rob Zettler
Sylvain Cote

This thread already exists for the 80s: here


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11-21-2012, 12:10 PM
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Good list for the most part, but some of those guys were more know for offense than defense, namely Olausson, Ellett, and Mironov. Babych was mostly known for his offense but that was in the 1980s. Stevens is weird because he actually was pretty high scoring in the first half of the decade, but focused purely on D in the second half.

Off the top of my head, add Chris Chelios (if Stevens counts, so does Chelios), Richard Matvichuk, and Shawn Chambers.

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Just off the top of my head

Desjardins
Zettler
Cote
Beukeboom

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Beaukeboom's already on there. I dunno if I'd consider Desjardins a defensive dman, he's one of those all-round guys so more borderline.

This is something I found from Yahoo Groups archive, a post from 2000. The drafting of dmen really went downhill and the dead puck era forced attention to bigger/stronger ones.

>I agree. Remember the big stink about Canada not producing any more
>offensive defensemen? I think it has come to this. Hopefully there will
>be a new wave coming soon, eh? These are the kind of guys you have to
>develop or get on the market.. They're almost impossible to get in
>trade.

It's a little late -- the big rush came in the 1998 draft. Stuart,
Allen, Vishnevsky, Skoula, Regehr, Fisher, and Biron. Stuart is the
gem of the lot, but a bunch of these guys are going to be terrific
players.


^ Lol terrible drafting back then at times for dmen. Phillips went no1 so that says something.

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11-23-2012, 09:58 AM
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I don't know about ranking them but some personal faves from that list are
Ludwig
Foote
Ellett
Muni
Tinordi
Reekie
Krupp
Baron
Zettler

Like offensive linemen in football, they get the job done without a lot of fanfare (or stats!)

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If we're adding as many names as possible, Kevin Haller was a steady defensive presence on the '93 Habs team and the mid-'90s Flyers. But I think a hip or knee injury eventually wore him down.

And Brendan Witt played five seasons in the '90s, but I honestly don't remember how he was defensively back when he was young.

Robert Svehla and Calle Johansson were both stellar defensively, but they might've put up too many points for this list.

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Jason Smith is more of a 00s defenseman, isn't he? If you include him in a 90s list, would Steve Staios also fit?

How about Cale Hulse and Glen Featherstone?

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Didn't care for him, but Derian Hatcher was commonly named as the best defensive defenseman at times. Stevens too of course. I guess if you wanted a pure shutdown type of guy you couldn't have done any worse than Adam Foote.

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Robert Svehla and Calle Johansson were both stellar defensively, but they might've put up too many points for this list.
I remember these two, they weren't defensive dmen but good all-round guys.

I don't remember Hulse or Featherstone at all, they don't seem like they were regulars for very long or actual top 4 dmen.

Thank goodness for real-time stats now. Can actually look at defensive dmen and maybe not measure them accurately but at least have something more to rely on than our foggy memories. Just imagine the arguments in 2030 about why Dan Girardi or someone was the best dman for a time period due to amazing real time stats compared to other better dmen.

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Beaukeboom's already on there. I dunno if I'd consider Desjardins a defensive dman, he's one of those all-round guys so more borderline.

This is something I found from Yahoo Groups archive, a post from 2000. The drafting of dmen really went downhill and the dead puck era forced attention to bigger/stronger ones.

>I agree. Remember the big stink about Canada not producing any more
>offensive defensemen? I think it has come to this. Hopefully there will
>be a new wave coming soon, eh? These are the kind of guys you have to
>develop or get on the market.. They're almost impossible to get in
>trade.

It's a little late -- the big rush came in the 1998 draft. Stuart,
Allen, Vishnevsky, Skoula, Regehr, Fisher, and Biron. Stuart is the
gem of the lot, but a bunch of these guys are going to be terrific
players.


^ Lol terrible drafting back then at times for dmen. Phillips went no1 so that says something.
Looking back at that draft Philips looks like the best player in that 1st round, it's not like there are any HHOF forwards that year either.

96 is probably a worse year for forwards than for Dmen as well.

Not sure what it means but looking back at the style of play in that era, it was not conducive to developing offensive talent either.

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11-23-2012, 09:31 PM
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I'd take Foote, Daneyko or Don Sweeney. I always liked Sylvain Cote but never considered him a defensive dman. He's still considered to have put on the greatest performance of any player in the history of the Quebec City midget tournament and it wasn't by blocking shots or clearing the crease.

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Glen Wesley & Adam Burt.

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In the order I would take them according to their defensive ability, taken from list in OP...

Stevens
Konstantinov
Ramsey (it seems odd that Ramsey would be included on the list, but McCrimmon isn't, their careers spanned through exactly the same years)
Svoboda
Hatcher
Carney
Foote
Ludwig
U. Samuelsson
Weinrich
Macoun
K. Samuelsson
Muni

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My top 5 would probably be:

Stevens
Chelios
Konstantinov
Samuelsson
Hatcher

If Chelios doesn't count (but like TDMM said, if Stevens does then Chelios should too), bump everyone up a spot and add Foote in 5th.

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From the OP - wasn't Zamuner a forward?

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Looking back at that draft Philips looks like the best player in that 1st round, it's not like there are any HHOF forwards that year either.

96 is probably a worse year for forwards than for Dmen as well.

Not sure what it means but looking back at the style of play in that era, it was not conducive to developing offensive talent either.
Effin Lindros, it's all his fault.

Was Macoun any good past the mid-90s? I thought he lived off of past repuation, played for some good teams but I never thought he was a good dman, never saw 80s hockey though.

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