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Percentage of NHL'ers in Europe ~23%

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10-26-2012, 11:23 PM
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Percentage of NHL'ers in Europe ~23%

Used eliteprospects team data to compile my numbers.

According to EliteProspects.com there are 618 players currently on the NHL's collective roster. Players on 2-ways who were assigned to the AHL or juniors sent back were not counted for this.

Out of those 618 players approximately 145 of them are playing overseas in the Euro leagues(I did not add in players who signed AHL, CHL, or ECHL deals). That is roughly 23.46% of the current player-base that is playing overseas during the current lockout. It has been debated that with the Euro leagues in place the NHL would be under pressure to get a deal done or risk losing their stars but with more than three-fourths of the league on one-way contracts currently sitting tight and not playing that argument needs to be looked at.

With the NHL announcing it will be cancelling all November games it's pretty straightforward to assume that more players will sign Euro deals but they would most likely go to the stars and the lower tier players would be forced to sign with smaller clubs who most likely wouldn't be able to give them a salary anywhere near the level they are currently at.

The argument I'm proposing is that while players say they can just sign overseas short term the longer the lockout goes the more strain it will put on them as those spots will quickly fill up and at a much smaller wage scale than their currently used to.

Can the KHL, SEL, SM-Liiga, Extraliga, NLA, etc offer the players a wage they are used to at this stage?

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There's no other league, or even combination of leagues, that can offer NHL players - as a group - anything like what they've been getting. Those who are over there now are mostly there for conditioning. Not even close to this being competition for the NHL.

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10-26-2012, 11:29 PM
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Used eliteprospects team data to compile my numbers.

According to EliteProspects.com there are 618 players currently on the NHL's collective roster. Players on 2-ways who were assigned to the AHL or juniors sent back were not counted for this.

Out of those 618 players approximately 145 of them are playing overseas in the Euro leagues(I did not add in players who signed AHL, CHL, or ECHL deals). That is roughly 23.46% of the current player-base that is playing overseas during the current lockout. It has been debated that with the Euro leagues in place the NHL would be under pressure to get a deal done or risk losing their stars but with more than three-fourths of the league on one-way contracts currently sitting tight and not playing that argument needs to be looked at.

With the NHL announcing it will be cancelling all November games it's pretty straightforward to assume that more players will sign Euro deals but they would most likely go to the stars and the lower tier players would be forced to sign with smaller clubs who most likely wouldn't be able to give them a salary anywhere near the level they are currently at.

The argument I'm proposing is that while players say they can just sign overseas short term the longer the lockout goes the more strain it will put on them as those spots will quickly fill up and at a much smaller wage scale than their currently used to.

Can the KHL, SEL, SM-Liiga, Extraliga, NLA, etc offer the players a wage they are used to at this stage?
Why did you leave off players assigned to the AHL? A lot of them are full time NHLers and should be included in the figure

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Why did you leave off players assigned to the AHL? A lot of them are full time NHLers and should be included in the figure
If they were eligible to be assigned but chose not to go(Landeskog) I included them as most of the talk about players finding work has been in regards to Euro leagues. The whole point of the data I compiled was to show that the Euro route is not as bountiful as it is sometimes made out to be.

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If they were eligible to be assigned but chose not to go(Landeskog) I included them as most of the talk about players finding work has been in regards to Euro leagues. The whole point of the data I compiled was to show that the Euro route is not as bountiful as it is sometimes made out to be.
But your data would be wrong when you are leaving off players like Hall, RNH, Eberle, Couturier, Schenn and so on..

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Did most of those oversea players take a bigger than 13% discount to play there? Bingo.

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Did most of those oversea players take a bigger than 13% discount to play there? Bingo.
Yes. Hell, a lot of them are playing for little to no salary

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What % of NBA players were in Europe last yr during their work stoppage?

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There's no other league, or even combination of leagues, that can offer NHL players - as a group - anything like what they've been getting. Those who are over there now are mostly there for conditioning. Not even close to this being competition for the NHL.
Not to mention Europe is teetering on an economic collapse.

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For the vast majority of players it's just a way to stay in shape. The routines of regular practices and matches probably is more fun than trying to skate on your own.

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KHL is the only league in Europe where players can make seven figures(USD) a year.

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Some of the players in Europe are playing for conditioning/practice only. Their payment is the insurance policy. See Ehrhoff.

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There's no other league, or even combination of leagues, that can offer NHL players - as a group - anything like what they've been getting. Those who are over there now are mostly there for conditioning. Not even close to this being competition for the NHL.
I think in the future there will be a competing league that will draw a lot of NHL players away especially with all these CBA problems. Could be a long ways away or the near future if the NHL doesn't get it's act together.

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Not to mention Europe is teetering on an economic collapse.
Because of the EU, the new Soviet Union.

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Has anyone come across a source where they list what locked out players are currently earning in European leagues?

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I think in the future there will be a competing league that will draw a lot of NHL players away especially with all these CBA problems. Could be a long ways away or the near future if the NHL doesn't get it's act together.
I really don't think it will hurt the NHL if they lose international players to other leagues. In the long run the spots will be filled in the NHL roster and fans will forget that they lost those players.

You never hear people from the 70s and 80s saying how bad the hockey was during the days of Gretzky because there weren't any Soviet players on the teams.

If 200 players bolt from the NHL to other leagues others ( likely Canadians and Americans move in to fill the spots ).

It may mean a few less spectacular plays for the highlight reel, but within a year or 2 people will move on and forget it has happened, outside of players from certain countries dropping in the draft because people will wonder if they will ever play in the NHL

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Not to mention Europe is teetering on an economic collapse.
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Has anyone come across a source where they list what locked out players are currently earning in European leagues?
Best bet is to browse the linked transfer articles on EliteProspects but they rarely mention salary from what I've seen.

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OccupyEurope, we are the 23.46%! All we want is 9 million instead of 8 million!

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Not to mention Europe is teetering on an economic collapse.
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I don't see much laughing. It's not right here yet but coming closer. Look at the news.

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Out of that %, how many are North America born vs Europe born?

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Not to mention Europe is teetering on an economic collapse.
The parts of Europe with serious trouble are the parts with no interest in hockey; countries in southern Europe. Central and Northern Europe is doing fine.

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Out of that %, how many are North America born vs Europe born?
http://www.eliteprospects.com/lockou...atus=confirmed Count for yourself.

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The parts of Europe with serious trouble are the parts with no interest in hockey; countries in southern Europe. Central and Northern Europe is doing fine.
Yes kind of.. But in the EU, we're all in the same boat, more or less. It's like a revenue sharing agreement. Northern Europe is also paying Southern Europe's bills.. Unemployment is increasing, companies and governments are cutting expenses. Like I said before, it's not here on full power yet. But no one knows exactly what it is gonna be like. It's a long and bumpy road to get the whole Europe back on its feet.

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Out of that %, how many are North America born vs Europe born?
Quick count came in at 99 of the 145 players currently playing overseas are Euro born.

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