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10-28-2012, 04:10 PM
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Vancouver fans are like Electrolux vacuum cleaner door to door sellers. Even if we dont invite them, they come and tell us how wonderful are their product (goalies) and try to convince us we need one, or try to convince us we need to replace our old one.

Good luck making the sales!
Rumour has it that the Oilers have shown interest in Vancouver's goalting. Luongo and Schneider are obviously top goalies, and we should be high on them. It sounds like the real life Oilers are interested in an upgrade so whats your big issue with Nucks fans attempting to trade one to Edmonton? This is a general thread, not the Oilers boards, we don't need an invite, and thank you, our goalies are wonderful.

Good luck with your current goaltending!

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10-28-2012, 04:24 PM
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Toronto will take Dubnyk's salary dump if that helps.

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10-28-2012, 04:31 PM
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Vancouver fans are like Electrolux vacuum cleaner door to door sellers. Even if we dont invite them, they come and tell us how wonderful are their product (goalies) and try to convince us we need one, or try to convince us we need to replace our old one.

Good luck making the sales!
You consider yourself in this group now? I thought it was the other way around, and you were the one that comes uninvited to all Canucks-goalies related threads, telling us how awful our vacuum cleaners are and trying to convince us that a broom is just as good as a vacuum.

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10-28-2012, 04:32 PM
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It would not be the first time a goalie was traded for unproven player or pick. Many real GM actually trade proven NHL goalies for unproven player or pick.

Remember Toskala ? Raycroff ? Fernandez ? Halak ? Varlamov ? Vokoun ? Roloson ? Lethonen ? They was all NHL proven goalie traded for unproven player/pick.

Should we fire these GM ?

Of course these goalie wasn't really ''franchise'' goalie, but they was traded for a lot less than a potential unproven ''franchise'' player either.
Carey Price is in the top tier of goaltending in the NHL. 6 of those goalies don't even compare to his abilities. When Lehtonen was traded he was treading water, and has really just broken out. Halak is a different story...and last I checked...that GM was fired.

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10-28-2012, 04:32 PM
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Rumour has it that the Oilers have shown interest in Vancouver's goalting. Luongo and Schneider are obviously top goalies, and we should be high on them. It sounds like the real life Oilers are interested in an upgrade so whats your big issue with Nucks fans attempting to trade one to Edmonton? This is a general thread, not the Oilers boards, we don't need an invite, and thank you, our goalies are wonderful.

Good luck with your current goaltending!
Because these "rumours" have come from every place other than Edmonton.

We just signed a young goalie to good money and there is seemingly zero interest to go out and get another goalie until they at least let Dubnyk play a season as the start this year.

I have no issue with a lot of proposal talk between teams, but I just don't want people to start thinking that it is common knowledge the Oilers are looking for a goalie, when not a single inside source, reporter, radio host, or even random rumour generator in Edmonton has even suggested this is the case.

A guy like Botchy spewing his nonsense isn't a real rumour IMO.

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10-28-2012, 04:33 PM
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Rumour has it that the Oilers have shown interest in Vancouver's goalting. Luongo and Schneider are obviously top goalies, and we should be high on them. It sounds like the real life Oilers are interested in an upgrade so whats your big issue with Nucks fans attempting to trade one to Edmonton? This is a general thread, not the Oilers boards, we don't need an invite, and thank you, our goalies are wonderful.

Good luck with your current goaltending!
Edmonton isn't simply a good goalie away from contending. Edmonton needs a lot more than that. It would be better to try to acquire one through FA or trades or the draft than it would be to trade for one. Goalies are a lot easier to find in random places - and highly touted goalies often become mediocre or poor goalies when they change teams. The same isn't true to the same degree for forwards and defensemen.

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What about MPS for Schneider? Y/N?

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10-28-2012, 04:37 PM
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What about MPS for Schneider? Y/N?
No, quite easily.

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10-28-2012, 04:38 PM
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What about MPS for Schneider? Y/N?
Going to guess that wouldn't even be remotely close to enough to get Schneider.

That being said, I wouldn't pay what it would cost to get him unless Dubynk plays terrible next season. Even then I would look to FA and other areas before making that deal.

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10-28-2012, 04:41 PM
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What about MPS for Schneider? Y/N?
Vancouver wouldn't do it. Not enough value coming back.

Oilers would be pleased with that.

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10-28-2012, 04:56 PM
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Schnieder is too damn good to trade, don't care what the return is, he needs to be a nuck.

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Oilers would say yes, easily.
Vancouver would say no, easily.

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10-28-2012, 10:29 PM
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Vancouver fans are like Electrolux vacuum cleaner door to door sellers. Even if we dont invite them, they come and tell us how wonderful are their product (goalies) and try to convince us we need one, or try to convince us we need to replace our old one.

Good luck making the sales!


First off, I don't think we ever once said Montreal needed a new goalie. Secondly, you are the one coming into every Vancouver thread trying to convince us that our goalies are bad and nobody wants them.

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10-28-2012, 11:06 PM
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We already have a Schneider. His name is Devan Dubnyk and he played very well for us last year. The Oilers won't give up anything of significant value for another piece like one we already have.

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10-29-2012, 01:08 AM
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Vancouver fans are like Electrolux vacuum cleaner door to door sellers. Even if we dont invite them, they come and tell us how wonderful are their product (goalies) and try to convince us we need one, or try to convince us we need to replace our old one.

Good luck making the sales!
It's just sad that of all posters here you would post something like this. A Habs fan that has admitted to being obsessed with Canuck goalies and jumps into every thread about Canuck goalies to keep telling us how awful their values are, while basically everything you've said to support your claims gets proven wrong over and over (ie. Schneider will definitely be traded due to Luongo's contract... Schneider will never re-sign a multiyear deal due to Luongo's contract... Lack won't sign a multiyear deal due to the goalie situation... etc...) Every time something actually happens, it just further proves you wrong.

You, a non-Canucks fan, jumps into every Canuck goalie thread, tells us what their values are, what they would do with their contracts (and then gets proven wrong when they sign contracts you think would never happen), and then continue to tell Canucks fans how you know what their values are, while we're all ignorant and have no clue about our own goalie situations.

And now you actually come here and insult the entire fan base saying that we're not invited into discussions about our own players??

What a joke!

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10-29-2012, 02:13 AM
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It's just sad that of all posters here you would post something like this. A Habs fan that has admitted to being obsessed with Canuck goalies and jumps into every thread about Canuck goalies to keep telling us how awful their values are, while basically everything you've said to support your claims gets proven wrong over and over (ie. Schneider will definitely be traded due to Luongo's contract... Schneider will never re-sign a multiyear deal due to Luongo's contract... Lack won't sign a multiyear deal due to the goalie situation... etc...) Every time something actually happens, it just further proves you wrong.

You, a non-Canucks fan, jumps into every Canuck goalie thread, tells us what their values are, what they would do with their contracts (and then gets proven wrong when they sign contracts you think would never happen), and then continue to tell Canucks fans how you know what their values are, while we're all ignorant and have no clue about our own goalie situations.

And now you actually come here and insult the entire fan base saying that we're not invited into discussions about our own players??

What a joke!
It was not mean as an insult, but as a joke, sorry if you took it seriously.

But you got me completely wrong on something, despite the millions proposal by Vancouver fans about Schneider being traded i was among the one saying he wont be traded:

Here is a prediction i did back in January 2011

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My Prediction: Unless he can play more and be more attractive to the other team (in case of a Luongo injury) Schneider wont be traded as the market for goalie is not hot, you should lose him as UFA in 2013 after he helped The cannuck being one of the best team in the league. I just think its best to keep him than getting a low return.
http://forum.canucks.com/topic/29500...to-past-trade/

I also said last season it was making a lot more sense to keep him if they planned to use him in the playoff 2012.

Where i was wrong back in 2011 was about him signing with Vancouver while Luongo is still there. Maybe the rumor that Luongo could be traded influenced his decision ?
The same rumor probably motivated Lack to sign with Vancouver.

I was also right in saying teams will choose the other options available around (Smith, Theodore, Bryzgalov, Lindback, Brobovsky, Valarmov, Halak) before trading for Vancouver goalies.


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10-29-2012, 04:17 AM
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It's just sad that of all posters here you would post something like this. A Habs fan that has admitted to being obsessed with Canuck goalies and jumps into every thread about Canuck goalies to keep telling us how awful their values are, while basically everything you've said to support your claims gets proven wrong over and over (ie. Schneider will definitely be traded due to Luongo's contract... Schneider will never re-sign a multiyear deal due to Luongo's contract... Lack won't sign a multiyear deal due to the goalie situation... etc...) Every time something actually happens, it just further proves you wrong.

You, a non-Canucks fan, jumps into every Canuck goalie thread, tells us what their values are, what they would do with their contracts (and then gets proven wrong when they sign contracts you think would never happen), and then continue to tell Canucks fans how you know what their values are, while we're all ignorant and have no clue about our own goalie situations.

And now you actually come here and insult the entire fan base saying that we're not invited into discussions about our own players??

What a joke!


Completely correct. This post is about accountability. There are those that have made spurious claims that have been proven wrong again and again and again... Yet they don't stop. They don't stop trying to infringe upon threads, despite being proven wrong already.


Especially when they aren't fans of either team... Obsession indeed.


As it pretains to Schneider, I think it's clear that his future is with VAN. That's who they want long-term. I don't see VAN dealing him now, least of all to a divisional rival.

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10-29-2012, 08:32 AM
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About as ridiculous as saying Jonathan Quick has outplayed Cory Schneider over the last 2 years. He absolutely has not. He's only played more games, for obvious reasons.

Swap these goalies and Quick is a career backup in Vancouver with under 40 starts last season and Schneider would have had the starters workload in L.A. with no competition for the role.

Cory Schneider is a career backup in the same way Jordan Staal is a career 3rd line centre.
I strongly agree.

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10-29-2012, 08:46 AM
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Eddie Lack isn't NHL ready yet, better keep Schneider. We have Roy and Bunz coming up within a few years as it is.

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10-29-2012, 08:57 AM
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Lack is NHL ready, especially if it were Luongo and not Schneider being the starter.

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then again with that stacked team, Vancouver shouldn't have to rely on goaltending.

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then again with that stacked team, Vancouver shouldn't have to rely on goaltending.
hmmm interesting argument you have brought up....

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10-29-2012, 11:11 AM
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There just isn't a deal here to be made. We'd want one of the big 4 whereas Edmonton would want to offer up something like Hemsky or MPS as the centerpiece. In my opinion, and EDM fans may disagree, I had assumed Eberle had the least value of the 4. Even still, I feel as if we'd need to add to Schneider to get him. I don't mean add a late pick or something meaningless, I feel we'd have to add another attractive piece. The name that jumps out right away would be Nicklas Jensen. He's tearing up the SEL right now as a rookie, and his showing in the AHL last season was fabulous. I think Schneider & Jensen for Eberle would be fair value wise, although quite honestly I see both fan bases hating it.

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There just isn't a deal here to be made. We'd want one of the big 4 whereas Edmonton would want to offer up something like Hemsky or MPS as the centerpiece. In my opinion, and EDM fans may disagree, I had assumed Eberle had the least value of the 4. Even still, I feel as if we'd need to add to Schneider to get him. I don't mean add a late pick or something meaningless, I feel we'd have to add another attractive piece. The name that jumps out right away would be Nicklas Jensen. He's tearing up the SEL right now as a rookie, and his showing in the AHL last season was fabulous. I think Schneider & Jensen for Eberle would be fair value wise, although quite honestly I see both fan bases hating it.
I don't "hate it", but our high hopes for Jensen will be dashed if we trade him, and he seems like the perfect powerforward player that just needs to put it all together.

You have to give to get, and Eberle would be an incredible piece if Edmonton were to every have him on the block.

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There just isn't a deal here to be made. We'd want one of the big 4 whereas Edmonton would want to offer up something like Hemsky or MPS as the centerpiece. In my opinion, and EDM fans may disagree, I had assumed Eberle had the least value of the 4. Even still, I feel as if we'd need to add to Schneider to get him. I don't mean add a late pick or something meaningless, I feel we'd have to add another attractive piece. The name that jumps out right away would be Nicklas Jensen. He's tearing up the SEL right now as a rookie, and his showing in the AHL last season was fabulous. I think Schneider & Jensen for Eberle would be fair value wise, although quite honestly I see both fan bases hating it.

I agree. Vancouver will take nothing less than one of the big four. If Edmonton is seriously about getting back into the playoffs than they will need to bite the bullet and make the trade. I like where the OP is going with this, but I believe the focus should be in defense rather than Goaltending. There is only so much a goaltender can do.

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