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11-21-2012, 06:06 PM
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You're right, the owners should be getting far more than 50%, it's their money.


Well put, you're really a shining beacon of HFBoards' logic during this lockout

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11-21-2012, 06:14 PM
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I hope they cancel the season and BOTH continue to lose their shirts! I think they will cancel the season by mid December.

Neither Bettman or Fehr have any skin in the game, they have no love for the game of hockey! The day Fehr was hired, you just knew this was coming!

Thirty years of being a die hard Habs fan; I found other things to do.

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11-21-2012, 06:16 PM
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All this pissing from the players means their the desperate ones in this breakup.

The owners are still getting theirs on the side.
So all the whining coming from the players is basically like music to the owners' ears?

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11-21-2012, 06:17 PM
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Molson is a good owner the family is part owner of a mega condo complex beside the molson center.So he's not hurting and according to the press most of the suites have been sold

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I hope they cancel the season and BOTH continue to lose their shirts! I think they will cancel the season by mid December.

Neither Bettman or Fehr have any skin in the game, they have no love for the game of hockey! The day Fehr was hired, you just knew this was coming!

Thirty years of being a die hard Habs fan; I found other things to do.

I miss my beloved Habs, but the sun does shine.
seriously at this point i already want them to make it official.. no joke.

cancel the season now so the players can enjoy the winter, i just hope a bunch of people stop watching hockey after the lockout. they just deserve it.

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11-21-2012, 06:28 PM
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So apparently Hamrlick decided enough was enough and is asking for Don Fehr to step down.. Just heard that at le 5@7.

The hammer HAS SPOKEN!

Edit: I've just decided enough is enough too, and I want Hammer back in Montreal!

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11-21-2012, 06:30 PM
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So apparently Hamrlick decided enough was enough and is asking for Don Fehr to step down.. Just heard that at le 5@7.

The hammer HAS SPOKEN!

Edit: I've just decided enough is enough too, and I want Hammer back in Montreal!
Yep, first union guy to even mutter anything anti-PA. I figure a lot of the old guys like him feel similarly. Teemu?

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11-21-2012, 06:43 PM
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Yep, first union guy to even mutter anything anti-PA. I figure a lot of the old guys like him feel similarly. Teemu?
He's on his last NHL contract and he wants his money nothing really deep in his sentiments. He doesn't care about the safety and security of future players - why should he? - or the integrity of his union. He has his pension, he has his last contract, he wants the money.

What a scab. F him.

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11-21-2012, 06:45 PM
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He's on his last NHL contract and he wants his money nothing really deep in his sentiments. He doesn't care about the safety and security of future players - why should he? - or the integrity of his union. He has his pension, he has his last contract, he wants the money.

What a scab. F him.
That's basically it. He wants to make his last 3 or 4 million.

He might pay the price on the ice when the lockout ends.

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11-21-2012, 06:49 PM
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He's on his last NHL contract and he wants his money nothing really deep in his sentiments. He doesn't care about the safety and security of future players - why should he? - or the integrity of his union. He has his pension, he has his last contract, he wants the money.

What a scab. F him.
I am glad you feel qualified to stand in judgment.

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11-21-2012, 06:50 PM
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I hope they cancel the season and BOTH continue to lose their shirts! I think they will cancel the season by mid December.

Neither Bettman or Fehr have any skin in the game, they have no love for the game of hockey! The day Fehr was hired, you just knew this was coming!

Thirty years of being a die hard Habs fan; I found other things to do.

I miss my beloved Habs, but the sun does shine.
NHL wont cancel til Feb (Last time around that was the endline)

Bettman has alot in the game ,, This continued saying of Bettman having no love for game is just BS

Guy has tried his best for almost 20 yrs to grow game nationally

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11-21-2012, 06:51 PM
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He's on his last NHL contract and he wants his money nothing really deep in his sentiments. He doesn't care about the safety and security of future players - why should he? - or the integrity of his union. He has his pension, he has his last contract, he wants the money.

What a scab. F him.
Safety and security? Really? Come on now

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That's basically it. He wants to make his last 3 or 4 million.

He might pay the price on the ice when the lockout ends.
Is that union mentality? Wow! Don't dare to speak out and voice your opinion. If that is the case, then unions and their supporters aren't really about free speech.

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11-21-2012, 06:56 PM
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Is that union mentality? Wow! Don't dare to speak out and voice your opinion. If that is the case, then unions and their supporters aren't really about free speech.
Historically, strong unions have a way of dealing with scabs.

Weak unions? They end up broke, unemployed, ruined. See the Hostess workers.

Solidarity definitely trumps free speech -- see the owners. If an owner speaks out he gets punished. Million dollar fine. No winter classic, no all star game, no hosting the draft. Same idea.

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NHL wont cancel til Feb (Last time around that was the endline)

Bettman has alot in the game ,, This continued saying of Bettman having no love for game is just BS

Guy has tried his best for almost 20 yrs to grow game nationally
The NHL has added teams and grown revenues since Bettman took over. The main beneficiaries of that growth has been the NHLPA players. Yet many of them feel compelled to hurl insults on a daily basis. I've never really liked Bettman's demeanor or the way he articulates his message but a lot of players are making a very good living because of his efforts. But I guess they don't see it that way.

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Historically, strong unions have a way of dealing with scabs.

Weak unions? They end up broke, unemployed, ruined. See the Hostess workers.
Weren't the Hostess workers represented by the Teamsters?

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I am glad you feel qualified to stand in judgment.
Sure I feel qualified. I have two eyes and a brain stem, I understand exactly where he's coming from. It's not a mystery.

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Bettman has alot in the game ,, This continued saying of Bettman having no love for game is just BS

Guy has tried his best for almost 20 yrs to grow game nationally
He's done a damn terrible job and the NHL only grew in the 00s because of the Canadian dollar.

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Safety and security? Really? Come on now
There's a lot at stake with CBA negotiations. They set precedents in a lot of ways - just think about it.

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Is that union mentality? Wow! Don't dare to speak out and voice your opinion. If that is the case, then unions and their supporters aren't really about free speech.
Unions aren't about free speech, why would you even think that?

A union is designed to protect employees from their employers and to serve the employee's (as a whole, not an over the hill scab) interests.

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11-21-2012, 07:06 PM
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There's more than likely never going to be another NHL season as long as Fehr is around.

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Historically, strong unions have a way of dealing with scabs.

Weak unions? They end up broke, unemployed, ruined. See the Hostess workers.

Solidarity definitely trumps free speech -- see the owners. If an owner speaks out he gets punished. Million dollar fine. No winter classic, no all star game, no hosting the draft. Same idea.
Harmlik isn't a scab, he is a a union member voicing his opinion and he is a well respected senior member of the union. It's not better or worse than Prust and Gorges voicing their opinions on the lockout.

In bold, I think is the main reason why some unions are cancers in our society (not all, juste some cases).

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Sure I feel qualified. I have two eyes and a brain stem, I understand exactly where he's coming from. It's not a mystery.
Thanks, just wondering

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Unions aren't about free speech, why would you even think that?

A union is designed to protect employees from their employers and to serve the employee's (as a whole, not an over the hill scab) interests.
But if there is no free speech among the members, how does the union know what its members want?

I do have one question. How can someone be a union member and a scab at the same time? I thought scabs were non-union members who were taking the jobs of union members.

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11-21-2012, 07:12 PM
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Sure I feel qualified. I have two eyes and a brain stem, I understand exactly where he's coming from. It's not a mystery.


He's done a damn terrible job and the NHL only grew in the 00s because of the Canadian dollar.


There's a lot at stake with CBA negotiations. They set precedents in a lot of ways - just think about it.


Unions aren't about free speech, why would you even think that?

A union is designed to protect employees from their employers and to serve the employee's (as a whole, not an over the hill scab) interests.
You do realize they probably already done all parts about safety and security and got a deal on theses subjects ?

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But if there is no free speech among the members, how does the union know what its members want?

I do have one question. How can someone be a union member and a scab at the same time? I thought scabs were non-union members who were taking the jobs of union members.
They don't know what a scab is...

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But if there is no free speech among the members, how does the union know what its members want?

I do have one question. How can someone be a union member and a scab at the same time? I thought scabs were non-union members who were taking the jobs of union members.
Free speech exists among members but it's paramount they should leak anything out to the press. Open mutiny serves nobodies interests. That's why the NHL always says its decisions were unanimous when it's clear they're not.

And I'm calling Hamrlik a scab because he's on his way out and wants his last few millions and wants young players to get bent for it. He's not really a scab, I'm just using the term pejoratively.

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You do realize they probably already done all parts about safety and security and got a deal on theses subjects ?
Safete and security in terms of financial arrangements in the future. Protecting their interests and all that. The average hockey player doesn't get 7m a year, he gets far far less and for an uncertain amount of time. It's not just millionaires whining - a lot comes into play.

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You need a strike for scabs to be called in. This is a lockout. Just saying.

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