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10-24-2012, 09:28 PM
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Scott Harrington


Nikita Kucherov or Nikita Gusev

Pens have a glutton of defensive studs in the pipeline, not much in terms to top 6 ceiling talent (I don't have much faith in Tangradi or Bennett panning out). We also need more right handed wingers in the system.

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10-24-2012, 09:40 PM
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Scott Harrington


Nikita Kucherov or Nikita Gusev

Pens have a glutton of defensive studs in the pipeline, not much in terms to top 6 ceiling talent (I don't have much faith in Tangradi or Bennett panning out). We also need more right handed wingers in the system.
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10-24-2012, 10:06 PM
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Nikita Kucherov or Nikita Gusev

Pens have a glutton of defensive studs in the pipeline, not much in terms to top 6 ceiling talent (I don't have much faith in Tangradi or Bennett panning out). We also need more right handed wingers in the system.
We politely decline your offer. We have high hopes for Kucherov and if we can get Gusev over here to play, we will have a the full Russian Line (Namestnikov, Kucherov, Gusev).

Also On D we have Barberio, Gudas, Aulie, and Sergeev in the pipes to get a shot. Not saying all of the are top line D prospects, but Kucherov and Gusev to us are top 6 forward prospects.

Plus Yzerman has a fever, and the only cure is more Russian!

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10-24-2012, 10:09 PM
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Harrington has been looking really good and I think he could end up being a really good shutdown d-man in the pros. Kucherov is slightly temping but I'd rather see how Harrington pans out.


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We politely decline your offer. We have high hopes for Kucherov and if we can get Gusev over here to play, we will have a the full Russian Line (Namestnikov, Kucherov, Gusev).

Also On D we have Barberio, Gudas, Aulie, and Sergeev in the pipes to get a shot. Not saying all of the are top line D prospects, but Kucherov and Gusev to us are top 6 forward prospects.

Plus Yzerman has a fever, and the only cure is more Russian!
I envy your GM's Russian fever, I swear Ray Shero would have taken Cam Barker over Malkin.

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10-24-2012, 10:13 PM
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Harrington has been looking really good and I think he could end up being a really good shutdown d-man in the pros. Gusherov is slightly temping but I'd rather see how Harrington pans out.
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I envy your GM's Russian fever, I swear Ray Shero would have taken Cam Barker over Malkin.
We are lucky Kucherov decided to cross the water. Real lucky. If it wasn't for Grigs, I really don't think he would come over (Still kind of pissed Yzerman didn't take Grigs when he had the chance. I understand the logic behind the decision the scouts made, but still...). Gusev is still a toss up, If Kucherov, Nesterov, and Nammy can convince him to come over, we might see an amazing connection.

But it is always a gamble to pick Russians in the draft, never know if they will come over. Although Gusev in the 7th round was highway robbery.

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We are lucky Kucherov decided to cross the water. Real lucky. If it wasn't for Grigs, I really don't think he would come over (Still kind of pissed Yzerman didn't take Grigs when he had the chance. I understand the logic behind the decision the scouts made, but still...). Gusev is still a toss up, If Kucherov, Nesterov, and Nammy can convince him to come over, we might see an amazing connection.

But it is always a gamble to pick Russians in the draft, never know if they will come over. Although Gusev in the 7th round was highway robbery.
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This is a really good proposal. I think I would do it if it was for Gusev.

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Wouldn't do it for Kucherov, would do it for Gusev.

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Why would Pittsburgh trade one of their top prospects for a 7th round draft pick from a few months ago?

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Just from a Pens perspective, Harrington has shown a lot of promise and is one of our top prospects right now. I do think there is a trade to be made for a very equal offensive talent.

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Why would Pittsburgh trade one of their top prospects for a 7th round draft pick from a few months ago?
Because we have 6 top defensive prospects and next to nothing on the wings. If Gusev played his junior in the CHL he would have been a late 1st/early 2nd round pick at the very least. It's his interest in the NHL that is the question, not his talent. Kucherov is in the same boat, but now is less of a question mark after making the move to the Q.

I think we have an advantage over most teams when it comes to Russian players we should be exploiting. Having a shot to play in the Burgh with the best Russian player in the world could be the incentive to draw the younger guys across the pond.

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I'd rather wait on Harrington and it sounds like Tampa fans want to wait on Kucherov and Gusev. That said, I think the value is equal.

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10-25-2012, 11:32 AM
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Because we have 6 top defensive prospects and next to nothing on the wings. If Gusev played his junior in the CHL he would have been a late 1st/early 2nd round pick at the very least. It's his interest in the NHL that is the question, not his talent. Kucherov is in the same boat, but now is less of a question mark after making the move to the Q.

I think we have an advantage over most teams when it comes to Russian players we should be exploiting. Having a shot to play in the Burgh with the best Russian player in the world could be the incentive to draw the younger guys across the pond.
If the Pens were interested in him, why didn't they just take him in the 6th round instead of now going and trading a solid prospect for him?

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10-25-2012, 11:47 AM
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don't think we need Gusev. We have our own late round Russian and he's tearing it up right now.

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If the Pens were interested in him, why didn't they just take him in the 6th round instead of now going and trading a solid prospect for him?
Maybe they did have interest in him but took Anton Zlobin instead due to the fact that he plays in the Q? Maybe they weren't expecting Zlobin to be available at their pick?

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don't think we need Gusev. We have our own late round Russian and he's tearing it up right now.
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Because we have 6 top defensive prospects and next to nothing on the wings. If Gusev played his junior in the CHL he would have been a late 1st/early 2nd round pick at the very least. It's his interest in the NHL that is the question, not his talent. Kucherov is in the same boat, but now is less of a question mark after making the move to the Q.

I think we have an advantage over most teams when it comes to Russian players we should be exploiting. Having a shot to play in the Burgh with the best Russian player in the world could be the incentive to draw the younger guys across the pond.
Not like Harrington, we don't. He's arguably the best junior-age defensive defenseman in hockey.

We were the highest scoring team in the NHL last year and had the worst defensive showing in playoff history. Of all our prospects, Harrington's the one we need the most.

Not to mention the fact that Gusev isn't even close to his value. You say that Gusev could've been a 2nd rounder if he had played in the CHL...but he didn't. That's the point. That's why so many other clubs passed on him several times over, and nothing he's done since has changed his value. If we wanted him, we could've taken him in the 6th round last year instead of giving up a very promising young defenseman who fits our needs perfectly.

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Not like Harrington, we don't. He's arguably the best junior-age defensive defenseman in hockey.

We were the highest scoring team in the NHL last year and had the worst defensive showing in playoff history. Of all our prospects, Harrington's the one we need the most.

Not to mention the fact that Gusev isn't even close to his value. You say that Gusev could've been a 2nd rounder if he had played in the CHL...but he didn't. That's the point. That's why so many other clubs passed on him several times over, and nothing he's done since has changed his value. If we wanted him, we could've taken him in the 6th round last year instead of giving up a very promising young defenseman who fits our needs perfectly.
As a bolts fan, I can't argue your logic. I think value wise its fine, but organizational wise not good for Pens either. We are happy to see if Gusev pans out, at best he is top 6, at worst we wasted a 7th round pick.

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I'm favoring, Harrington. As a Pens fan.

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Good proposal. I'd consider Harrington for Kucherov.

Doubt GMRS would trade Harrington for Gusev though. I don't know much about him or his game, but it looks like Harrington has better NHL potential

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Good proposal. I'd consider Harrington for Kucherov.

Doubt GMRS would trade Harrington for Gusev though. I don't know much about him or his game, but it looks like Harrington has better NHL potential
Read up on Gusev. If you can ever convince him to come over, he would be talked about very differently.

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Pretty Fair deal that both teams say no to. Very good job though

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Harrington for Gusev is laughable. Gusev was a 7th round pick a few monthy ago, while Harrington is one of the best defensive d-man prospects.
Harrington for Kucherov could happen, but i rather wait for harrington

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