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10-27-2012, 02:04 PM
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He's still good and all, but how much better is he than Semin who we let go for free? Better? Most likely though not guaranteed for the upcoming season. Laich, Orlov, Forsberg, 1st better? Not a chance in hell. It's not like Iginla doesn't have warts of his own at this stage.

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10-27-2012, 02:51 PM
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Then you wouldn't get Iginla, gotta give to get.
We were told the same thing when we did proposals to get a second line center and ended up having all those guys and Ribeiro

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10-27-2012, 02:54 PM
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We were told the same thing when we did proposals to get a second line center and ended up having all those guys and Ribeiro
Cody Eakin is a much better prospect than Galiev. You did give up something of fairly significant value.

Eakin + 2nd >>> Galiev + 3rd

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10-27-2012, 02:59 PM
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Do you trade that for Iginla?
No. Point taken. That's what I get for putting in players I know little about.

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10-27-2012, 03:18 PM
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Cody Eakin is a much better prospect than Galiev. You did give up something of fairly significant value.

Eakin + 2nd >>> Galiev + 3rd
Eakin is older and further along but Galiev has higher NHL potential. Darren Helm-lite 3rd line center vs. top 6 winger with decent size who seem to be developing some competent if not stellar all around game.

Of course, neither of them are fair value for Iginla, and trading for him without being able to put him on the ice before he's a UFA doesn't make sense either.

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10-27-2012, 03:31 PM
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No way Calgary gets what is suggested at the top but they take that deal in a heartbeat. Iginla is worth alot but not that much.

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10-27-2012, 03:33 PM
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Cody Eakin is a much better prospect than Galiev. You did give up something of fairly significant value.

Eakin + 2nd >>> Galiev + 3rd
But you also may very well get a 2nd.

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10-27-2012, 03:44 PM
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Iginla apparently plays on a crap team with crap teammates, always puts up 30+ goals, but is apparently not a first liner.
At this point in his career, he is a power play specialist who can produce at even strength when not facing opponents top lines/defense pairings. He needs to be a little sheltered in order to maximize his abilites.

He's not a bad player but he can't handle tough minutes anymore.

What to do with Iginla

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10-27-2012, 03:49 PM
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But you also may very well get a 2nd.
Iginla will not be traded for conditional picks. The face of a franchise will not be traded for "maybe a 2nd rounder".

I would rather have a 1st and Colborne, as was given up for Kaberle, or a 1st and give up a 4th, as was given for Gaustad, than Galiev and a 3rd.

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10-27-2012, 03:53 PM
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Iginla will not be traded for conditional picks. The face of a franchise will not be traded for "maybe a 2nd rounder".

I would rather have a 1st and Colborne, as was given up for Kaberle, or a 1st and give up a 4th, as was given for Gaustad, than Galiev and a 3rd.
Your franchise is doomed if Iggy is its face right now.
The 1st for Iggy and a 4th is pretty much equal to Galiev and a 4rd. Don't see much difference. That Kaberle trade is, and always was, a non-sense. I think Chiarelli has learned the lesson and won't make the same mistake again.

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10-27-2012, 04:05 PM
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Bad choice of words. I meant if he would be traded to Washington and stayed for a few years. Kuznetsov, Forsberg and co. would fight for the spot too.

But dont kid yourself, Iggy cant face the top D-men in the league and play top minutes anymore and produce at the same rate as he was.

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10-27-2012, 04:07 PM
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Your franchise is doomed if Iggy is its face right now.
The 1st for Iggy and a 4th is pretty much equal to Galiev and a 4rd. Don't see much difference. That Kaberle trade is, and always was, a non-sense. I think Chiarelli has learned the lesson and won't make the same mistake again.
Of course Iginla is the face of the franchise. He always will be until he retires. That's not even about his play now. It's his goodwill to the team.

I only made a comparison to Gaustad to show how awful Galiev + a 3rd is. The value is worse than what Paul freakin' Gaustad got.

You are flat out insane if you think you're getting Jarome Iginla for insignificant pieces.

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10-27-2012, 04:12 PM
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OP-Washington gets the bad end.

1st and orlov alone might make some Caps fans balk though Id say it'd be fair

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10-27-2012, 04:12 PM
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The window to trade Iginla is now over. He either walks as a free agent this summer or he's a Flame for the rest of his career.

Complete asset mismanagement by the Flames but hopefully some of the Flames prospect pan out moving forward (and a few of them are looking pretty solid) and Iginla can act as a mentor to the youth on the team.

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10-27-2012, 04:15 PM
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We were told the same thing when we did proposals to get a second line center and ended up having all those guys and Ribeiro
Iginla>>>> Riberio.

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10-27-2012, 04:31 PM
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Iginla>>>> Riberio.
Ribeiro is younger and cheaper and I think he's got a better chance of re-signing with the team he was traded to than Iggy. Also, he fit our need better.

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10-27-2012, 05:16 PM
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At this point in his career, he is a power play specialist who can produce at even strength when not facing opponents top lines/defense pairings. He needs to be a little sheltered in order to maximize his abilites.

He's not a bad player but he can't handle tough minutes anymore.

What to do with Iginla
Don't entirely disagree but that's definitely an exaggeration! He may not be the player he once was but there's still lots of gas in the tank. It wouldn't be a surprise to me, if he was traded to a contender, after missing the playoffs the last few years, that he turned out to be one of the most dominant players in the 2013 cup run. Iggy doesn't need to be reminded that he doesn't have that many more shots.

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10-27-2012, 07:20 PM
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Just a memo for anybody creating the Caps proposals.
We are not moving Kuznetsov just because he won't come until 2014.
We are not moving Alzner just because he barely has double digits in points and you think he is a bust.
We are not moving Laich for anything. Trading Laich we need to make sure that we find the long-term 2nd line winger solution.
We are not moving Filip Forsberg. This needs no explanation.
I find posts like these silly, unless it has been stated by a team's GM that a player is untouchable (which never happens). It would be one thing if you said 'We are not moving Ovechkin/Backstrom', but I don't see how you could possibly know that these players could not possibly be moved under certain circumstances. Just because a player is valuable to a franchise does not mean they cannot be moved, much, much crazier things have happened than any of those players being traded.

"We are not moving Laich for anything," that's a good one.

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10-27-2012, 08:16 PM
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I find posts like these silly, unless it has been stated by a team's GM that a player is untouchable (which never happens). It would be one thing if you said 'We are not moving Ovechkin/Backstrom', but I don't see how you could possibly know that these players could not possibly be moved under certain circumstances. Just because a player is valuable to a franchise does not mean they cannot be moved, much, much crazier things have happened than any of those players being traded.

"We are not moving Laich for anything," that's a good one.
By "for anything" I meant that most proposals including him are just meh. I said what could be the situation when he could get traded. If we get a long term top 6 solution.
Knowing how conservative GMGM is, I don't see any of them getting traded, expect for maybe Laich for a top-6 forward. What's the last crazy trade GMGM made? I don't remember many of them. He's, thankfully, no Holmgren and no Burke.
PS Carlson and Alzner are as untouchable as they get.

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10-28-2012, 12:29 AM
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Iginla shoots right.

I do like Iginla very much and for his leadership and media skills. I think he has another good year or two in him. Would be interested but what would it take and can Washington afford him with the new cap being lower? I'm a bit of a player hoarder and don't like to give up any of the nuts either.

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By "for anything" I meant that most proposals including him are just meh. I said what could be the situation when he could get traded. If we get a long term top 6 solution.
Knowing how conservative GMGM is, I don't see any of them getting traded, expect for maybe Laich for a top-6 forward. What's the last crazy trade GMGM made? I don't remember many of them. He's, thankfully, no Holmgren and no Burke.
PS Carlson and Alzner are as untouchable as they get.
Carlson and Alzner are part of the spice of this team. Some of the others are the meat and potatoes, dessert etc.

They make the Capitals interesting to fans in that they have personality and like-ability. As well as being very good. Not to mention CHEAP. Alzner is very exceptional value.

However if something came along that would make Washington hands down winners I don't believe for a minute that they be untouchable. It is a business after all as we all well know.

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Carlson and Alzner are part of the spice of this team. Some of the others are the meat and potatoes, dessert etc.

They make the Capitals interesting to fans in that they have personality and like-ability. As well as being very good. Not to mention CHEAP. Alzner is very exceptional value.

However if something came along that would make Washington hands down winners I don't believe for a minute that they be untouchable. It is a business after all as we all well know.
I don't know. Those two play toughest minutes. What should we get to become winners in trade involving them (especially Alzner)?

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Can't see Forsberg being moved. Top-20 prospects in all hockey are not moved for rentals.
thats not true. its rare. yet you are suggesting that orlov would be in the trade? orlov is more valuable than a top 20 prospect. if he is still considered a prospect he is certainly more valuable than forsberg. he, however, has already shown a high level nhl game.

laich is core and on a long term contract. core players are not traded for rentals either.

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Iginla apparently plays on a crap team with crap teammates, always puts up 30+ goals, but is apparently not a first liner.
i doubt he would play on the caps 1st line. 1st pp unit, yea. by the way....the crapper the team the more chances to score the best player on that team gets. more prime ice time. more games coming from behind and trying all out to score and fewer times ahead and giving up offense to hold the lead.

its not as clear cut as you might think. 30 goals for a $7m players isnt really a bargain

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thats not true. its rare. yet you are suggesting that orlov would be in the trade? orlov is more valuable than a top 20 prospect. if he is still considered a prospect he is certainly more valuable than forsberg. he, however, has already shown a high level nhl game.

laich is core and on a long term contract. core players are not traded for rentals either.
Where was I talking about Orlov? I suggested Galiev.

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