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10-27-2012, 11:20 PM
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I can dig the trade for OKC.

Martin is capable, but he's just a stop gap for this season.

The real value here is Lamb and the draft picks. That Raptors pick is big time as long as Toronto doesn't strike Top 3 in the lotto. Presti is an extremely shrewd talent evaluator and chances are one of these picks will hit it big.

I know OKC was shopping Harden aggressively at the draft to get Brad Beal but both Charlotte and Washington didn't bite. I think getting Lamb and a likely Top 5 pick is very good for a guy they knew no longer had a place in the organization.

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10-27-2012, 11:22 PM
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OKC's ready to win now. Unless they flip these for another guy soon I don't see why they just wouldn't hold onto him.

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10-27-2012, 11:22 PM
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Don't know what OKC is doing. I understand he declined you're offer but don't you go for it all with him? And if he leaves he leaves? And there was no better package you coulda got then Martin, Lamb and meaningless picks?

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10-27-2012, 11:22 PM
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Also, Woj:

Houston plans to give James Harden a four year, $60 million extension once deal is completed, league sources tell Y! Sports.

Question is, will he accept it?
Probably. I think the max they can offer is 4 years, $64 million and the most he can get as a RFA is 4 years, $58 million. The Rockets are going to match anyways so it makes sense to take the extra $2 million and sign right away. Don't want to take any chances with a major injury either.

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I can dig the trade for OKC.

Martin is capable, but he's just a stop gap for this season.

The real value here is Lamb and the draft picks. That Raptors pick is big time as long as Toronto doesn't strike Top 3 in the lotto. Presti is an extremely shrewd talent evaluator and chances are one of these picks will hit it big.

I know OKC was shopping Harden aggressively at the draft to get Brad Beal but both Charlotte and Washington didn't bite. I think getting Lamb and a likely Top 5 pick is very good for a guy they knew no longer had a place in the organization.
A lot of people are predicting that the Raptors will challenge for a playoff spot in the East. I think they'll finish in the 8-11 range. I guess we'll see but I don't think the picks will be anything special.


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10-27-2012, 11:28 PM
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Probably. I think the max they can offer is 4 years, $64 million and the most he can get as a RFA is 4 years, $58 million. The Rockets are going to match anyways so it makes sense to take the extra $2 million and sign right away. Don't want to take any chances with a major injury either.
Good call on the matching. But I guess I'm still just wondering what was Harden's end game? The money, wanting out of OKC, or something combined?

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10-27-2012, 11:30 PM
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Don't know what OKC is doing. I understand he declined you're offer but don't you go for it all with him? And if he leaves he leaves? And there was no better package you coulda got then Martin, Lamb and meaningless picks?
Lamb is going to be quality (maybe not a multi time all-star, but he will be a good player) and that 2013 Toronto Raptors pick could be a top 5 pick.

They wanted to trade Harden for the #2 or #3 pick this summer. Trading him for Lamb and a likely #4 or #5 pick seems pretty good to me.

Of course, I don't consider Harden to be this potential superstar that some do. Harden is very very good, but I don't rate him as someone on the brink of superstardom.

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A lot of people are predicting that the Raptors will challenge for a playoff spot in the East. I think they'll finish in the 8-11 range. I guess we'll see but I don't think the picks will be anything special.
Well then a lot of people are dolts. MIA, IND, BOS, PHI, NYK, BKN, CHI, are locks and MIL, DET, WSH, and ATL are all better than Toronto IMO.

I think it ends up being the #4, #5, #6, or #7 pick.


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You people who are asking why they didn't just go for it with Harden are talking as if the OKC core championship window is closing or something. OKC can hold KD, Westbrook and Ibaka together and be a contender for the next ten years.

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Kevin Martin is an excellent scorer when he's healthy, and he'll get to the line a ton when Durant is out. Who is handling the ball when Westbrook sits now?

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10-27-2012, 11:39 PM
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Pretty stupid of Harden to not take the 4 year deal from OKC which won't be that much less than the max deal that he will get, pure greed on his part and he probably wants to be "The Man" instead of competing for championships. It's a shame because that was an awfully fun team to watch.

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You people who are asking why they didn't just go for it with Harden are talking as if the OKC core championship window is closing or something. OKC can hold KD, Westbrook and Ibaka together and be a contender for the next ten years.
Exactly.

James Harden was the 4th spoke on this wheel and he wanted a max contract.

The core is intact, they get a good 20 ppg guy in Martin who is also expiring, get a blue chip guy in Lamb, and the Raptors pick which I am confident will be between #4 to #8 overall (I am also sure Presti is also confident the pick will be high). They win now, they win later.

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10-27-2012, 11:42 PM
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Yeah as much hype as Harden gets he was still a sixth man last year. Good for him on getting a lot of money but he is what's wrong with the NBA

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10-27-2012, 11:44 PM
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OKC got rid of that overrated flopping playoff choker Harden

Lets see what he can do without KD and Westbrick


Well done, Presti

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OKC got rid of that overrated flopping playoff choker Harden

Lets see what he can do without KD and Westbrick


Well done, Presti
Definitely a flopper. One of the worst in the league.

But I don't think he's overrated and he hit a lot of big shots for OKC. He was terrible in the finals but overall he had a good playoff run. He killed the Spurs in the WCF.

I think he can put up Westbrook numbers in Houston.

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Houston also sent two 2013 first-round picks (from Dallas and Toronto) to Oklahoma City, sources told Y! Sports, as well as a 2013 second-round pick (via Charlotte). The Thunder will receive the Toronto pick this year if it's slotted Nos. 4-14. That pick also is top-three protected in 2014, top-two protected in 2015 and top-one protected in 2016.

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LOL, am I the only one who almost read that Jeremy LIN was involved?

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OKC got rid of that overrated flopping playoff choker Harden

Lets see what he can do without KD and Westbrick


Well done, Presti
Harden flops.. a lot, but he is far from overrated.

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This was always going to be an option.

Either keep Harden for the year, and he will probably leave a free agent, or trade him while you can. They got a decent return, though. K-Mart will start, and is a decent 3rd/4th option. Lamb will play 6th man, I assume, he's a solid scoring SG, similar build to Harden.

Wow, still a shock.

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Shocking trade. But I can see the logic. Be interesting to see how Harden responds to being the man. Also interesting to see if Aldrich can be an NBA player...

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Did OKC get better value for Harden than Orlando got for Howard?

Anyway, at first glance my initial reaction is that Houston won. I'm not a huge fan of draft picks in the NBA considering how many players bust. Harden is a legit player and has shown in the past he has the ability to contribute in the NBA.

But now that I think about it, it might be a win-win. Harden was never going to be a starter for OKC. His starting numbers are not too hot. He'll be getting a big contract to be a starter. For the Thunder, they turn their best bench player into 2 good shooters and 2 draft picks. Martin may be getting older, but I think he'll do well for OKC in a bench role, and Lamb gets time to develop slowly but well on OKC's team. And with PJIII and Lamb, the season after next, OKC might be able to field a 2nd team that is super talented. They also save on cap space.

Win-win trade, but there is risk for both sides. I'll say the risk for Houston is greater than it is for OKC. Harden's starting numbers aren't too spectacular(IIRC), and he'll need to step up and be a franchise player for that team. I'm just not sure he can. OKC might lose the 6th man of the year, but I think they replaced the scoring pretty well between Martin and Lamb.

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Great trade for OKC. If there's one thing that team needed, it was a long-range threat, and Martin is as good as it gets. He's also a great third option who doesn't need to hog the ball to be effective. All he has to do is spot up and Durant/Westbrook will find him all day for open 3's. Martin's game is such a better fit with those two than Harden is. Harden's skills are redundant with Durant and Westbrook. Getting Lamb and the Raptors' pick is just gravy.

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Houston got the best player, but this is a very good trade for OKC all things considered.

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OKC also gets Dallas first round pick this season. Dallas won't have Nowitzki for the first part of the season, and without him, they are probably not a good team. They're also in a conference that just got deeper with Houston getting Harden. If they don't get off to a good start, they may not be able to catch up, especially since Nowitzki is now 34. OKC might be looking at two lottery picks this season.

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Am I missing something?

Houston "core" is now Harden, Lin, and Asik...

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Am I missing something?

Houston "core" is now Harden, Lin, and Asik...
Lin
Harden
Parsons
Patterson
Asik

with Aldrich, Cook, White, Hayward etc off the bench is pretty not bad.


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Well then a lot of people are dolts. MIA, IND, BOS, PHI, NYK, BKN, CHI, are locks and MIL, DET, WSH, and ATL are all better than Toronto IMO.

MIA, IND, BKN, are the best three teams in the east, BOS, PHI and CHI are very good but missing parts here and there. The Raptors aren't amazing, but they can compete with the Pistons, Hawks, Bucks and Wizards. I also lol'd that you have the Knicks as a lock for the playoffs. The average age of that team is "dead"

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Harden is a better player but a healthy Martin should be a really good addition for OKC. I think he'll fit right in.

Win - win for both teams.

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